Do you toss this coach?

[DG]

The one and only game I have ever forfeited was because the ejected manager would not leave. He left the field but was still visible and audible. If I see an ejected manager anywhere near the playing field the first warning will be a forfeit warning. No one would be allowed to leave the bench to have a conversation with him.

My opinion of ejecting a coach who talked to an ejected manager? It wouldn't happen.

[UmpJM]

Bainer,

Originally Posted by Bainer

Partner and I both notice the pitcher from the first game leaving the bench and going into the crowd...then returning to talk to the assistant...then leaving again, etc. (we all know what's going on at this point)

IMO, as soon as you knew what was going on with the jerk manager you properly ejected you should have:

1. halted the game.

2. announced that it would not continue until the ejected manager had left the premises.

3. if he had not left the premises within whatever you considered a reasonable amount of time, announced that the game was suspended and leave it to the league to decide how they want to deal with it.

I actually believe that your second ejection was improper. The second ejection was a result of your failure to enforce the first ejection.

I also believe that you do not have the authority to declare a forfeit in the situation you described, as some have suggested. I applaud your response in saying you would not abuse your legitimate authority in issuing additional ejections to the point that you would have the authority to declare a forfeit.

Now, if the ejected manager refuses to leave and you do suspend the game, if I'm on the league BOD, I might be inclined to declare the game a forfeit. I would certainly be inclined to suspend the offending manager for (at least) the remainder of the season.

But hey, I'm just a coach (and a BOD member), so I could be wrong.

JM

[DG]

Suspend a game because an ejected manager will not leave the premises? No way coach!

[UmpJM]

DG,

I believe you suggested the proper remedy in this situation is for the umpire to declare a forfeit.

I do not believe the rules grant the umpire this authority. I believe my suggestions to Bainer are proper and within the authority granted the umpire by the rules.

I am open to being convinced otherwise.

What's your basis? (Cites, please.)

JM

[DG]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

DG,

I believe you suggested the proper remedy in this situation is for the umpire to declare a forfeit.

I do not believe the rules grant the umpire this authority. I believe my suggestions to Bainer are proper and within the authority granted the umpire by the rules.

I am open to being convinced otherwise.

What's your basis? (Cites, please.)

JM

As I said earlier, "My opinion of ejecting a coach who talked to an ejected manager? It wouldn't happen." It wouldn't happen because I am not going to allow an ejected manager any contact with the team. A warning will be issued on first offense. The warning will include the consequence if this continues, and then when it does, game over. The game will not continue after a manager ejection, until I can no longer see or hear him. And as I mentioned earlier, the only game I have ever forfeited was because a manager would not leave the premises. He made a nuisance of himself, from 100 feet away from the field and would not leave. The league adminstration did not take too kindly of his actions, he never coached another game there.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Bainer,



IMO, as soon as you knew what was going on with the jerk manager you properly ejected you should have:

1. halted the game.

2. announced that it would not continue until the ejected manager had left the premises.

3. if he had not left the premises within whatever you considered a reasonable amount of time, announced that the game was suspended and leave it to the league to decide how they want to deal with it.

I actually believe that your second ejection was improper. The second ejection was a result of your failure to enforce the first ejection.

I also believe that you do not have the authority to declare a forfeit in the situation you described, as some have suggested. I applaud your response in saying you would not abuse your legitimate authority in issuing additional ejections to the point that you would have the authority to declare a forfeit.

Now, if the ejected manager refuses to leave and you do suspend the game, if I'm on the league BOD, I might be inclined to declare the game a forfeit. I would certainly be inclined to suspend the offending manager for (at least) the remainder of the season.

But hey, I'm just a coach (and a BOD member), so I could be wrong.

JM

You're right and wrong. While the umpire should've gotten rid of the first guy, it doesn't excuse the second guy and he needed to go, too.

[ChapJim]

I want to complain about the overwhelming display of uncharacteristic civility in this string. You had a chance to turn this thread into something ugly and you blew it! We're not used to seeing people acknowledge the point of view of others.

Keep this up and McGriff's has nothing to worry about.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ChapJim

I want to complain about the overwhelming display of uncharacteristic civility in this string. You had a chance to turn this thread into something ugly and you blew it! We're not used to seeing people acknowledge the point of view of others.

Keep this up and McGriff's has nothing to worry about.

Shut up, scab

http://www.nutsacdance.org/

[TussAgee11]

I'm pretty much with the JM on this one.

Eject the manager. Nip it in the bud. Don't let it get to the point it did.

But things happen, so....

Call the assistant coach over. Tell him... "I know exactly what is going on, and if it happens again, you'll be ejected as well. If the manager tries anything more, the game is being halted and the TD is going to remove him from the premises."

If it happens, bye bye to assistant coach (if he was an acting agent, I'm not tossing the coach if the manager is just yelling from the parking lot or whatever). But if players are running out there, ha.

Then we have two coaches in the parking lot and we play again. Not forfeiting until THEY are the only people doing harm. And even then, I'm more inclined to just hand it to the TD. Forfiets should be aboided at all cost because a) I look bad because I couldn't control the game (even if I did everything right) and b) Especially in youth baseball, I'm not going to have a pissing contest between a coach to see who can top who.

[bossman72]

JM-

Normally in amateur games, when someone is ejected, the ejected offender has to get out of "sight and sound." That's the policy our association enforces here locally and nobody has a problem with it. So an umpire can certainly forfeit the game if a coach is tring to circumvent his ejection by relaying messages to coaches.

[UmpJM]

Rich,

I don't disagree. Ultimately, the 2nd coach earned his ejection as well.

I was just trying to make the point that if the first ejection had been properly enforced, the second one wouldn't have had to happen.

JM