Civility

[SAump]

Originally Posted by NFump

Don't listen to SA!

This guy has RISEN to stalker.

Should I consider myself a celebrity?

[NFump]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? What a maroon! HAR DE HAR HAR!!

[NFump]

Besides, I can only stalk one person at a time and if you ask him WWTB will tell you it's him.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by BlueLawyer

WWTB: here are my points. Again.

1. I can disagree with you without being disagreeable. I can disagree with your call without thinking you suck as an umpire or as a human being. I can disagree with your internet post, and say so, without engaging in character assassination. I can disagree with you without calling you names, questioning your ancestary or in general telling you that you are the biggest idiot ever to don a mask.

2. We (officials) are all in this together, to some degree, greater or lesser. My fellow blues are my competition, true. But before that they are my colleagues and my teammates. If they succeed, to some extent, I succeed. If this wasn't true, I'd throw my partner under the bus every time he booted a call and say something to the effect of "You're right, coach. He really does suck. I can't believe he's working this level of ball either."

If you don't think this is family, I have genuine sorrow for you.

Criticism is indeed the path to better officiating, and therefore, ultimately, better competition. Criticism should be constructive to acheive its intended goal, however. "Zega, you should have been deeper at C to see the play better. Here's where you need to be," works much better than, "Zega, you suck. That's something I would expect from a University of Arkansas grad. Quit umpiring now and save us all the embarassment of you being on the field. I hope you law better than you ump, or you're going to starve."

"I'm in it for me. Only me. Period." That attitude will lead to an awfully lonely and unfulfilling career. IMHO.

Strikes and outs!

I'm not certain why you found the urge to reiterate your points, I read and understood them. I used to end some of my posts with a Carl tribute - A2D (agree to disagree). The problem with that is that umpires are an opinionated lot. We don't like to have our judgement questioned - evidenced by countless "Do I go for help on this call?" threads. I addressed the name calling issue - when you get too stressed or run out of communication skills, out pop the dick/mom/heritage jokes. However, sarcasm is a highly sought skill in our world. If you can't handle a wry jab, then you should never don a mask.

Umpires are not a family any more than any other occupation. (Lawyers are the class example - sure we are in this together, but I'll cut your throat and sell my grandmother to make partner/win this case/get elected judge/etc.)We have commonalities and understand the nuances and intricacies of a well called game. However, it is very much an every man for himself world out there. Even amongst NCAA crews, it is fairly cut throat. You want to excel and get noticed while helping your crew mates. Come playoff time across the country, the jealousies emerge. Ego is an intrinsic part of umpiring and the best know they are good. Am I a bad partner for giving a brutally honest post game to a weak crew mate?

I undersatnd that you think we should all live in a pablum internet world. "I disagree with your ruling, but you're a swell guy." That is not the way life is at any endeavor. On a discussion board, you state your opinion and then await the verdict. Just like on the field, confrontation is part of the game. The board owner and mods recognize this and allow a certain amount to pervade the site.

Finally, like those who wanted to ban the Da Vinci Code, why are you afraid of words? The old adage of sticks and stones comes to mind. Maybe we don't see I to eye and can dialogue in a politically correct manner. However, if I am as adamnat in my belief as you are, expect some discourse. If your sarcasm offends me, then maybe I respond in kind. Remember, they are just words.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Blue,

You are dealing with a person that claims to live in my area, talks about people by name while hiding his name, says things to people here he has never said to their face (talking about people in our area) and has flat out lied on people by making claims he cannot back up. Then he claims he knows more than everyone here while dropping his resume but no one here fits that kind of background. At least no one fits that background currently.

I would think someone with so much knowledge and the respect he claims to have in our area would want do lift up umpiring instead of tearing it down. This is why I pretty much ignore him.

Peace

The song keeps skipping...we keep hearing the same refrain repeatedly. "I don't know who he is, so he can't be real. Others know his identity and believe his words but I can't because he made me look like a fool too many times. He can't be real. He can't be real. He can't be real. He can't be real..."

I do and have done more for umpiring in Illinois than you'll ever know. Plenty of people know me (in fact, an AMLU supporter was exceptionally talented at detective work) Yes, you keep ignoring me...(snicker, chuckle, guffaw)

The witching hour is nigh...sweet dreams, SBM.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

Please explain how those LL sources I quoted to back up my "PERCEPTION" were wrong. "Who are they," you ask. You just don't get it. I showed you the bathroom door and its time you enter, close it, and do your business.

You insist on doing this in public, very civil.

You never quoted a Little League source. You pulled some hair brain opinion off of the Internet from someone none of us had ever heard of before. What on Earth would lead you to believe that his opinion had more merit than the umpire training manual for all Little League umpires. In case you missed it the first time, here are the instructors comments found in the Rules Instruction Manual.


Seldom will an umpire have to utilize this rule. Most situations can be covered by rules and interpretations listed throughout the book. Umpires should not use Rule 9.01(c) as a substitute for knowledge of the rules or to further their individual agendas utilizing the word “safety”.

Situations such as throwing the bat and other potentially unsafe actions should be covered as follows: Warn the player and warn the other members of this player’s team. Further incidences will result in ejection.



Tim.

[BlueLawyer]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

I'm not certain why you found the urge to reiterate your points, I read and understood them. I used to end some of my posts with a Carl tribute - A2D (agree to disagree). The problem with that is that umpires are an opinionated lot. We don't like to have our judgement questioned - evidenced by countless "Do I go for help on this call?" threads. I addressed the name calling issue - when you get too stressed or run out of communication skills, out pop the dick/mom/heritage jokes. However, sarcasm is a highly sought skill in our world. If you can't handle a wry jab, then you should never don a mask.

Sarcasm is a highly sought skill? I disagree. Most folks value a sense of humor, and sarcasm has a place in humor. When abused or overused, just like anything else, it becomes tedious, isolating and ultimately, ineffective.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Umpires are not a family any more than any other occupation. (Lawyers are the class example - sure we are in this together, but I'll cut your throat and sell my grandmother to make partner/win this case/get elected judge/etc.)

I disagree. What you see on David E. Kelley TV shows is not what being a lawyer is about. I don't act that way in the courtroom. If I told a judge to go f*ck himself (as I have seen on tv) the very best thing that would happen to me is I would be a couple grand lighter in the wallet and I would spend a couple of weeks in jail. I might get away with it two times; there would not be a third. There are jackasses in my profession, to be sure, and maybe more of them per capita (good Latin, eh?) than in other professions. My frame of reference on this is limited; I have been a lawyer, soldier, politician, sports official and a blue-collar factory guy in my life. By far the biggest number of self-important blowhards per capita is in the political field. But to the point about umpires:

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

We have commonalities and understand the nuances and intricacies of a well called game. However, it is very much an every man for himself world out there.

I am interested to know where to draw the line in the name of "Me, Myself and I." If your partner boots a call, you know it and the aggreived Coach comes out and chews his a$$, do you leave your partner twisting in the wind? At the postgame do you say, "Man, you sucked on that one. But you made me look good. Thanks."? Do you pirate assignments? Do you run down your colleagues to coaches, other umpires, ADs and assignors? Maybe that attitude and execution works where you are from. Around here, it is a recipe for limited assignments.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Even amongst NCAA crews, it is fairly cut throat. You want to excel and get noticed while helping your crew mates. Come playoff time across the country, the jealousies emerge. Ego is an intrinsic part of umpiring and the best know they are good. Am I a bad partner for giving a brutally honest post game to a weak crew mate?

It depends. I have bad games, even after years of experience. I expect my partner to tell me so. What I don't expect is for him to disrespect me and preen his feathers. I have sometimes felt like I have had to carry my partner when he is having a bad game. But you know what? I look bad, too. We look bad. It is no fun to work baseball when you as a crew are not having a good game.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

I undersatnd that you think we should all live in a pablum internet world. "I disagree with your ruling, but you're a swell guy." That is not the way life is at any endeavor. On a discussion board, you state your opinion and then await the verdict. Just like on the field, confrontation is part of the game. The board owner and mods recognize this and allow a certain amount to pervade the site.

You understand nothing about the way I think, because again, you didn't ask. And I am not stating that you should tell me I'm a swell guy. I am stating that telling me I'm an idiot is unnecessary. And is "confrontation is part of the game"? Really? It can be, but that is no reason to be confrontational. My experience tells me that if I go into a game looking for a fight, I'll find one. And this board is not a game. As much as some would like to, we can't ultimately eject anybody.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Finally, like those who wanted to ban the Da Vinci Code, why are you afraid of words? The old adage of sticks and stones comes to mind. Maybe we don't see I to eye and can dialogue in a politically correct manner. However, if I am as adamnat in my belief as you are, expect some discourse. If your sarcasm offends me, then maybe I respond in kind. Remember, they are just words.

I am not afraid of words, WWTB. I am sometimes disgusted by them, much in the same way that I am not afraid of roadkill, but I find it unpleasant and disgusting. With all due respect, WWTB, what you and I have (and what I see with your "dialogue" with other members of this board) is not "discourse". It's you spoiling for a fight, looking for confrontation, asserting your superiority in every aspect of umpiring and turning every argument personal. That's not discourse; it's diatribe.

Strikes and outs!

[NFump]

"I am not afraid of words, WWTB. I am sometimes disgusted by them, much in the same way that I am not afraid of roadkill, but I find it unpleasant and disgusting. With all due respect, WWTB, what you and I have (and what I see with your "dialogue" with other members of this board) is not "discourse". It's you spoiling for a fight, looking for confrontation, asserting your superiority in every aspect of umpiring and turning every argument personal. That's not discourse; it's diatribe."

BL you hit the nail on the head. Gotta go, I think SAump is posting. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

I do and have done more for umpiring in Illinois than you'll ever know. Plenty of people know me (in fact, an AMLU supporter was exceptionally talented at detective work) Yes, you keep ignoring me...(snicker, chuckle, guffaw)

If that is the case, no one seems to care anymore. I know a couple of people that recieve a lot of credit for their time and effort and giving back, for some reason there is no one I know fits your profile or "claimed" background or experience. Robby is not around anymore and it is clear that the people in charge have left his way of thinking behind.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

The witching hour is nigh...sweet dreams, SBM.

I guess if I am white and male I can constantly make comments about race. Since I am Black I have to not make any references to who I am. This is very typical of a person of your background. Just another example of something you would never say to my face.

Peace

[SAump]

Originally Posted by NFump

Besides, I can only stalk one person at a time and if you ask him WWTB will tell you it's him.

My MO is well known.
I'm just learning about yours.
My guess is you are an ole hand in the business.
You really are desparate to believe this sad attemt in SAvility.
You're stalking me like a POST whore who RAN OFF her best customer.
If you feel you have driven W-WWTB away from the site, I guess you can focus all your energy on SAtire for the time being, anyway.

Start your own thread and invite me in.
Or continue to follow me around like a lost pup.
I'll show UP just to keep you from HI-jacking every other post I make.
If you want a list, go back and bring up some of my past conversations.
I'll enjoy the RETURN trip.

[BigUmp56]

You've illustrated my point yet again. I've twisted nothing when responding to your posts. You simply don't care to have someone else dare to question you. There have been times to numerous to mention that you've given out erroneous information. It doesn't matter if it's me or someone else, if anyone dares to disagree with you when you do this, your name calling tantrums begin.


Lets's recap shall we. Without going back and actually pulling up all the threads where you've done this, I can recall off-hand quite a few you've done this to.

*Carl Childress

*Tim Christensen

*Steve Meyers

*Rich Fronheiser

*Garth Benham

*Alan Roper

*Myself


All of the aforementioned have had encounters with your nasty little rants. Some have gone so far as to mention to Brad that should you be allowed to continue to post here, they would refrain from participating. Why Brad has allowed you all the warnings he has is beyond me. This forum would be better served if you would either leave, or start to act like an adult.



Tim.

[BlueLawyer]

Tim:

I'm working with Alan Roper on Thursday.

He's a good guy and a good blue.

Strikes and outs!

[BlueLawyer]

No, not JustMe who posts on this board.

Is it just me or have I opened the biggest name-calling thread on this board? All because I wanted to comment on the unnecessary name calling?

Wow. I wonder what would happen if some of us actually did have to work a game together.

Scary thought.

Strikes and outs!

[SAump]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You've illustrated my point yet again. I've twisted nothing when responding to your posts. You simply don't care to have someone else dare to question you. There have been times to numerous to mention that you've given out erroneous information. It doesn't matter if it's me or someone else, if anyone dares to disagree with you when you do this, your name calling tantrums begin.
Tim.

You SIR are taking a BIG-dUMP on senility with the door left WIDE OPEN and I would certainly appreciate it if you CLOSE the DOOR because it stinks. You took a POT SHOT at two people who you have never met within the last 72 HOURS. What have they done to YOU to deserve this lambasting.

YOU play the intelligent FOOL quite well. Little tee deleted a post where you come out looking like a jackass. You adopt his tactics by deleting your omissions quite frequently. Your buddies also include pot shots a time or two. I still respect them more than they can know. I see you included yourself at the bottom of the upper-crust.

What have I got to show for standing UP for myself? I was DUMBFOUNDED at the people who first responded to this post. It was like the who's who of OPEN Mouth Disease. Did you take a hard look at #2 lately? My only regret was not including NFump in the line-UP.

[SanDiegoSteve]

We have, Your Honor!

Originally Posted by SAump

You SIR are taking a BIG-dUMP on senility with the door left WIDE OPEN and I would certainly appreciate it if you CLOSE the DOOR because it stinks. You took a POT SHOT at two people who you have never met within the last 72 HOURS. What have they done to YOU to deserve this lambasting.

Mmmmmm, lambasting......making me hungry for lamb again!

YOU play the intelligent FOOL quite well. Little tee deleted a post where you come out looking like a jackass. You adopt his tactics by deleting your omissions quite frequently. Your buddies also include pot shots a time or two. I still respect them more than they can know. I see you included yourself at the bottom of the upper-crust.

Yeah, sometimes when people misspeak, they choose to delete their faux pas instead of leaving their mistakes on the board, which describes most of your posts (mistakes left on the board).

What have I got to show for standing UP for myself? I was DUMBFOUNDED at the people who first responded to this post. It was like the who's who of OPEN Mouth Disease. Did you take a hard look at #2 lately? My only regret was not including NFump in the line-UP.

You were not dumbfounded, you were found dumb!

Guilty!