Disappointed in AMLU

[Durham]

Originally Posted by left coast

I was merely answering the question that was posed.

I do have a question for the union guys out there. I have never been in a union and do not have much knowledge about them. If someone is in a carpenter's union and they go on strike, would it be OK for that carpenter to go to a non-union shop and work? I am not trying to throw any gas on any fires, I just don't know. As far as whether the AMLU guys should work or not, that is the same decision that the guys who crossed the picket lines were faced with. Everyone needs to do what they feel is right for their own individual situation.

Then answer this one! Do you feel it is ok to post others' names and not your own?

As for the union question I cannot answer it, because while I was an AMLU memeber and I am a teacher's union memeber, I am not a strong union person. But I know Sal personally and I know Angel personally, and I personally know several other AMLU guys that worked non-pro games this year and guys that worked and are working as replacement and I still consider all of them friends. This thing will end one way or another and if one party has a problem with a specific other, then call them and talk to them, don't post their name here.

SoCal, you are an AMLU suppoter, why would you post that question here and not with the AMLU guys?

[left coast]

Originally Posted by Durham

Then answer this one! Do you feel it is ok to post others' names and not your own?

As for the union question I cannot answer it, because while I was an AMLU memeber and I am a teacher's union memeber, I am not a strong union person. But I know Sal personally and I know Angel personally, and I personally know several other AMLU guys that worked non-pro games this year and guys that worked and are working as replacement and I still consider all of them friends. This thing will end one way or another and if one party has a problem with a specific other, then call them and talk to them, don't post their name here.

SoCal, you are an AMLU suppoter, why would you post that question here and not with the AMLU guys?

socalblue1 appears to be informed, and I have no reason to believe he isn't. He asked for information, and I supplied him with it. That is very different that arbitrarily listing names (and pictures) on the internet. Who I am is irrelevant to this discussion, somebody asked for information; I had what he asked for, and gave it to him. That's all.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by left coast

socalblue1 appears to be informed, and I have no reason to believe he isn't. He asked for information, and I supplied him with it. That is very different that arbitrarily listing names (and pictures) on the internet. Who I am is irrelevant to this discussion, somebody asked for information; I had what he asked for, and gave it to him. That's all.

I did ask for the details and WILL research and respond just as soon as I have accurate answers.

I do know of a small number of assignments that were given simply because one or more AMLU umpires were available when others were not (IE: Monday at 12:00pm). The umpires in this instance are members of the group amd were long before they went to school & were hired by MiLB.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

I did ask for the details and WILL research and respond just as soon as I have accurate answers.

I do know of a small number of assignments that were given simply because one or more AMLU umpires were available when others were not (IE: Monday at 12:00pm). The umpires in this instance are members of the group amd were long before they went to shcool & were hired by MiLB.

Jim,
You have been provided with the facts. Your last sentence smacks of hypocrisy. The AMLU statement and the various emails we received all pledged that the striking umpires would not work amateur level baseball. Why is that not evident to you? You spend countless hours logged into that site and have certainly read how the beseeched their brethren. You are looking for an out and there isn't one in sight.

If I read your explanation properly, it is acceptable for an AMLU umpire to take that prime amateur job simply because he is available. Hmmmm, that sounds a lot like the replacements stepping in and working those MiLB games. Except that only one of those groups promised that they wouldn't do it. I can't wait to see how you try to explain this one.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Jim,
You have been provided with the facts. Your last sentence smacks of hypocrisy. The AMLU statement and the various emails we received all pledged that the striking umpires would not work amateur level baseball. Why is that not evident to you? You spend countless hours logged into that site and have certainly read how the beseeched their brethren. You are looking for an out and there isn't one in sight.

If I read your explanation properly, it is acceptable for an AMLU umpire to take that prime amateur job simply because he is available. Hmmmm, that sounds a lot like the replacements stepping in and working those MiLB games. Except that only one of those groups promised that they wouldn't do it. I can't wait to see how you try to explain this one.

Let's get a few facts straight & not relay on he/she said:

1. AMLU has stated that members are fine to work games booked before the strike (Those scheduled before spring training &/or before reporting to regular season assignment).

2. It's Ok to accept games no one else is available or willing to do.

So, if there is a game where no one else is available or willing you would prefer the game not be played? Now THAT's being a hypocrite!

I stated that I would check into the issue & respond back with facts and I will.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Let's get a few facts straight & not relay on he/she said:
Okay, let's...

1. AMLU has stated that members are fine to work games booked before the strike (Those scheduled before spring training &/or before reporting to regular season assignment).
Now that's not what the email I received said. In fact, for quite some time, the AMLU site had a plea to amateurs not to accept MiLB schedules. They argued that as professionals they would never undermine their brethren by working amateur games - EVEN IF THEY WERE ON STRIKE!

Multiple news stories had AMLU spokespersons stating that they are well prepared for a long strike and feel no need to work college or high school games in the mean time. If I'm not mistaken, a few of them came here to argue that as long as they were dues paying members of an association, they should be able to accept games. I agree...unless you remember that they said they wouldn't.

2. It's Ok to accept games no one else is available or willing to do.

Thanks...that is the argument for using replacement umpires instead of AMLU members. I believe that the AMLU guys made themselves unavailable and unwilling to do those games.

So, if there is a game where no one else is available or willing you would prefer the game not be played? Now THAT's being a hypocrite!

No, that's not the case at all. There are plenty of umpires that are available and desire those premium playoff assignments. If those AMLU boys were really altruistic, they would accept those rec ball assignments while the regular crews got their rewards for working hard all season. The AMLU guys are cherry picking and not just doing games 'no one wants'. Pass the doobie before your brain is completely fried.

I stated that I would check into the issue & respond back with facts and I will.

Please tell me that you won't use the same logic that you displayed here. Many of us have the messages from AMLU about not working and helping their cause. These chain letters were even printed in a few threads here. We know what we are talking about.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

2. It's Ok to accept games no one else is available or willing to do.

I agree. People should quit calling the guys working MiLB SCABS. They are simply accepting games that no one else is available or willing to do.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I agree. People should quit calling the guys working MiLB SCABS. They are simply accepting games that no one else is available or willing to do.

Considering that the only people that are scabs are the people working games during a strike, I think the term fits perfectly. Working amateur games with no union and no strike are not out of bounds for anyone to work as an independent contractor. Oh well, are you going to cry the next time someone uses the word "scab?"

Peace