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Holding the ball
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Is this the conventional call, or does contact with the ground preclude a secure holding? (My call was somewhat controversial with the 1st base coach, I think. Not that I noticed his reaction or anything.) -LilLeaguer |
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Requires LIFT from DIRT, A RISE
Your description describes a trapped baseball, one that is contacting the ground. It cannot be in contact with the DIRT or lost in his uniform.
He must scoop the ball up or free it from the uniform before the runner has made first base. It can be trapped between is glove and other body parts. |
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Sounds good to me. Heck, the umpire judged secure posession. You pretty much answered your own question. What SAUmp describes, on the other hand, is most certainly NOT a legal tag. If the ball is... Quote:
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Coach Twister
Figure out what firmly and securely mean and what glove or hand mean. Then let me know when to add dirt or grass. You can't have the call go both ways IN this thread. TIES such as adding dirt or grass go to the B/R.
F3 LIFTS his glove off the ground with possession before B/R reaches base, then you ring B/R up. I read a baseball in the DIRT was securely trapped by the glove and dirt and raised after B/R touches 1B. Legal possession after the B/R tags should be ruled SAFE. Whether an adjustment was made or not, it doesn't really matter, and only serves to twist away from the proper ruling. If the ball is on the ground, I've got nothing. Otherwise, F3 securely traps a ball between rib cage and glove. Rather than come loose or bobble the ball, the baseman steps off and reaches in and removes the baseball with his free hand and slams it straight down. When do you rule proper legal possession? Shoe-string catches that touch the ground are also trapped securely and I hope it was caught and ruled SAFE, base hit or BOTH. Last edited by SAump; Wed May 03, 2006 at 12:19am. |
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It sounds like a good call to me also. As DG elludes the ball can be held securely and be in partial contact with the ground. As long as F3 picked up the ball cleanly I have an out.
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THe concept is the same in all rules codes. |
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Thanks!
Thanks for the replies. Very helpful.
CoachJM: Yes, I made my description after the manner that I would have explained my call to a manager, if asked: "Rob, I judged that he had the ball securely in his glove." Only the readers on this board know why I made that judgement, and most who responded seem to back my way of thinking. This is no slight to SAUmp. I can also respect, "Dick, I cannot judge that a ball touching the ground is held securely in the glove." Of course, that explanation is longer, doesn't get an out, and fails to reward F3 for a very nice stretch and dig. -LilLeaguer |
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