Missing home after a HR.

[Illini_Ref]

Batter hits a HR out of play. He misses home. As soon as he misses home, the catcher appeals.

Is the appeal granted? Does he have to enter dead ball territory or is his baserunning obligations completed, therefore rendering him out upon appeal?

[dddunn3d]

What rule set?

[BigUmp56]

In FED he's called out on appeal while the ball is still dead.

In OBR the umpire must put a ball back into play for this to be a proper appeal.

See OBR 7.10 and 5.02


Tim.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

We've done this before and if I didn't know any better I'd think you were put up to this one.

If you are indeed from Illinois, then you only need recall a Super Sectional game a few years ago. The batter hit a ball that cleared the fence in fair territory and his team came out to celebrate the home run. The plate umpire noticed that the batter had clearly missed the dish and so did the coaches and catcher of the defensive team. The batter was declared out and his run did not count as he had abandoned his attempt to advance to home in the correct manner.

The same play happened in a Colorado state championship game and was discussed here as well.

Some members feel that this is an expected call and we should ignore something that is of little consequence. Let's see if that box gets opened again.

[Illini_Ref]

No, I wasn't put up to anything. I had a game this evening and this happened. Also, the game ended 6-5 and the losing team was the one who had the run wiped off!

FED rules. My question is, can the defense appeal as soon as he misses the plate? If the missed base was first, second, or third, they have to wait to appeal unitl he completes his baserunning responsibilities. Do they have to wait until he enters dead ball territory to appeal at home?

[SAump]

They must wait for B/R to walk off the field. Otherwise they would be tipping their hat that the B/R can return and TOUCH the plate.

[Illini_Ref]

So, if the BR has not entered dead ball territory, and the defense appeals, the appeal isn't valid? Say the BR is ALMOST to the dugout and the defense appeals, then the BR comes back and touches the plate. Ruling?????

[DG]

In FED you can make a dead ball verbal appeal at any time. The ball is dead when it went over the fence so they could dead ball verbal appeal any missed base as soon as it happened, as long as the runner is not trying to return to the base at the time.

In OBR the ball must be live to make an appeal.

[Illini_Ref]

FED rules say that appeals can be granted when the baserunning responsibilities are finsished on awarded bases. I interpret that to mean that if the BR missed second, an appeal wouldn't be granted until he reached home.

[SAump]

The appeal isn't valid until play resumes. DC should wait for B/R and his entourage to enter the dugout. Not even the DC should verbally appeal until then, unless he wants to see the B/R return and touch. Rulebook states that defense cannot get an out during the dead ball because of a HR. The missed base OUT occurs on a proper appeal ruling that takes place afterward.

[ajjl22]

Originally Posted by SAump

Rulebook states that defense cannot get an out during the dead ball because of a HR.

Could you give a rules reference?

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Do they have to wait until he enters dead ball territory to appeal at home?

I would wait until the runner gets to the dugout. That is when I believe that he has ended his baserunning responsibilities. That is what I get from FED 8.2.6c

[DG]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

FED rules say that appeals can be granted when the baserunning responsibilities are finsished on awarded bases. I interpret that to mean that if the BR missed second, an appeal wouldn't be granted until he reached home.

When the ball is dead a runner may not return to touch a missed base after he touches the next base. A dead ball verbal appeal can be made any time after the ball is dead.

[bossman72]

I think if the runner misses home, and starts toward the dugout and seems as though he has no intention to retouch, i'll allow an appeal.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bossman72

I think if the runner misses home, and starts toward the dugout and seems as though he has no intention to retouch, i'll allow an appeal.

In a pro or college game, you'd have to get the ball to the pitcher and make it live again since there are no dead ball appeals at those levels.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Batter hits a HR out of play. He misses home. As soon as he misses home, the catcher appeals.

Is the appeal granted? Does he have to enter dead ball territory or is his baserunning obligations completed, therefore rendering him out upon appeal?

If the runner has initiated a return, then the appeal is not recognized (if it was a live ball, the runner would need to be tagged).

See 8.2.2C, 8.2.2M