Bad Form, MiLB umpires should have more Class

[Kaliix]

Well my opinion doesn't mean much, but I have been around this board long enough to know WWTB and his posts. He has a history here that makes me think he knows what he says he knows.

You came on the seen just recently and have no history. I'd believe him over you in a heart beat.

And besides that, I haven't seen you name anyone either???

Only reputation at this point....

Originally Posted by JIGGY

If you did site anyone at all, I missed it. Point out where you mentioned who it is you claim to be in good with. Not only won't you, you can't. You thought that talking big would make you look big. You are a clown, and you continue to prove it.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Well my opinion doesn't mean much, but I have been around this board long enough to know WWTB and his posts. He has a history here that makes me think he knows what he says he knows.

You came on the seen just recently and have no history. I'd believe him over you in a heart beat.

And besides that, I haven't seen you name anyone either???

Only reputation at this point....

That makes no sense. Your arguement here is idiotic at best.

I don't have to prove my sources, I am my source. wwtb isn't in the game, and doesn't really know what the hell is going on.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Two for the price of one:

Originally Posted by JIGGY

That makes no sense. Your arguement (sic) here is idiotic at best.

I don't have to prove my sources, I am my source. wwtb isn't in the game, and doesn't really know what the hell is going on.

That IS priceless...by your own admission, you are not a Minor League umpire, never were and aren't associated directly with the process...that's a hell of a source! Next, you'll tell us that you are the head of a PR firm and live for spinning tales. You couldn't justify being wet after you fell out of a boat.

My sources have been utilized here for quite some time. They keep proving me right. Unlike you, I actually worked the games that are in question. I earned the right to say what I want about the current regime. That's far more than you can say.

Originally Posted by SoCal1

Let's clarify this:

1. NO 2006 PBUC graduate has been offered a job, becasue (sic) there are none.

2. Those finishing PBUC were told only where on 'the list' they were & advised of the potential opportunity of a job.

3. If this student simply completed the 5 week course, so what? He's now a well trained (If he paid attention & showed up that is. If he suffered a 'spider bite' then your post means less than zero, because that's what this individual's potential is) umpire ready to learn his/her craft.

Of course this is only my opinion.

1.) Stop twisting words, I wrote that recent pro school graduates were offered jobs as replacements. They were and are working at some low levels.

2.) Read #1

3.) Earlier arguments from the AMLU support group (sounds like a twelve step program) cited that if a 'scab' wanted the right to work in the Minors, he should have paid the money for pro school and been asked to work. Hmmmm...

Of course, you must be omniscient to be able to judge an umpire's talent and potential, sight unseen. I'm curious, how does one get that job? Did you have to go to pro school?

The hole just keeps getting deeper for those thinking like you. The replacements are working out just fine and by the middle of May some top flight D1 umpires will be available for work in the AAA. The AMLU boys made a serious error and are scrambling to target those who are doing just fine. The photos and names on their site are proof of how low they'll stoop. I recall an email that demnaded that as brothers in umpiring we need to support each other. They refused those assignments and now trash the reputations of those that remember their role in the game...nice! Of course, that is only my opinion.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

That IS priceless...by your own admission, you are not a Minor League umpire, never were and aren't associated directly with the process...that's a hell of a source!

? interesting but not accurate!


My sources have been utilized here for quite some time. They keep proving me right. Unlike you, I actually worked the games that are in question. I earned the right to say what I want about the current regime. That's far more than you can say.

? Your sources are? and you worked specifically what? you don't get to claim anything unless you are willing to back it up.



1.) Stop twisting words, I wrote that recent pro school graduates were offered jobs as replacements. They were and are working at some low levels.

School washouts- lets get our facts straight
2.) Read #1

3.) Earlier arguments from the AMLU support group (sounds like a twelve step program) cited that if a 'scab' wanted the right to work in the Minors, he should have paid the money for pro school and been asked to work. Hmmmm...

If they weren't good enough out of school what does that tell you about the willingness of MiLB to put any guy in a blue shirt on the field regardless of umpiring ability?

Of course, you must be omniscient to be able to judge an umpire's talent and potential, sight unseen. I'm curious, how does one get that job? Did you have to go to pro school?

I only call what I'VE SEEN!

The hole just keeps getting deeper for those thinking like you. The replacements are working out just fine and by the middle of May some top flight D1 umpires will be available for work in the AAA. The AMLU boys made a serious error and are scrambling to target those who are doing just fine. The photos and names on their site are proof of how low they'll stoop. I recall an email that demnaded that as brothers in umpiring we need to support each other. They refused those assignments and now trash the reputations of those that remember their role in the game...nice! Of course, that is only my opinion.

You can try to convince yourself and others that this is true, but you know and time will show the reality of the situation to be otherwise. There is a reason your career ended when it did...

[Kaliix]

Hey Jiggy, it's like this. You just got here and have no reputation. WWTB has been here for along time and IMHO has a reputation for giving accurate information about the game. (Pi$$ing contests with Rut excluded, I won't even go there). I'd be much more likely to believe him and very unlikely, considering your short stay here and the quality of your posts, to believe you at all. And I am betting I am not alone in that assessment.

If you are asking WWTB to prove his sources then do the same. You are not producing the information, so you can't be your own source. That kind of thinking truely is idiotic.

You are getting your "information" some where from some one. What's your source???

I bet you dimes for dollars you'll post some innane crap and still won't give a source....

Name a source and prove me wrong. Otherwise your just talking shi.....

Originally Posted by JIGGY

That makes no sense. Your arguement here is idiotic at best.

I don't have to prove my sources, I am my source. wwtb isn't in the game, and doesn't really know what the hell is going on.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

I'd be much more likely to believe him and very unlikely, considering your short stay here and the quality of your posts, to believe you at all. And I am betting I am not alone in that assessment.

NO, YOU'RE NOT

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Hey Jiggy, it's like this. You just got here and have no reputation. WWTB has been here for along time and IMHO has a reputation for giving accurate information about the game. (Pi$$ing contests with Rut excluded, I won't even go there). I'd be much more likely to believe him and very unlikely, considering your short stay here and the quality of your posts, to believe you at all. And I am betting I am not alone in that assessment.

If you are asking WWTB to prove his sources then do the same. You are not producing the information, so you can't be your own source. That kind of thinking truely is idiotic.

You are getting your "information" some where from some one. What's your source???

I bet you dimes for dollars you'll post some innane crap and still won't give a source....

Name a source and prove me wrong. Otherwise your just talking shi.....

You are inclined to believe someone based on how long they have been posting huh? That's perfectly logical...

And... I've said before. I am only speaking on those things I have seen first hand. I need not site a source because I am not repeating anything anyone else has said. WWTB can only claim to repeat what others who are in the game have said. The fact that he refuses to name his sources leads me to believe he is simply attempting to act as though he is something he isn't in front of an audience that by and large wouldn't be able to tell the difference. His post are purely emotional and clearly anti-AMLU vs. being objective and informed on the issue. He has shown only an intent to influence others to take a negative view of the AMLU and preach doom and gloom for the labor situation. This is a cowardly thing to do, especially considering his only basis for his commentary is his "sources" which he will not identify. The facts show that the players, managers, and other club personnel aren't completely happy with things. Their comments aren't just normal complaining about umpiring. They speak specifically to a comparison between what they are used to and what they are seeing now. There have been numerous situations that have occurred, that likely would not have occurred with the normal AMLU umpires. It simply cannot be argued that the Scabs are just as good of umpires, as PBUC and MiLB themselves have said otherwise. Sure the games are being played (in case there was a misunderstanding; the AMLU's intent by striking was not to keep the games from happening at all, just to keep the AMLU umpires from umpiring and demonstrate their necessity to the game). MiLB has put out across the board gag orders and no-argument directives; a move that shows their expectation of problems with what they admit is sub-par umpiring. This is part of the spin MiLB has attempted in this situation, admittedly they have managed the press better than has the AMLU. However, the AMLU recognized early (before the strike actually began) that in this case, public opinion would not play any significant part and that the added difficulty of finding, living with, and keeping Scabs would. Remaining objective and looking at only the facts, one cannot honestly believe the "doom and gloom" scenario WWTB and others would like to preach. It only serves to vent frustration from those who have jealousies against the AMLU guys, weather it be for where they are, or the fact that they choose to demand more and assert that they are worth it. Simple fact of the matter is, either way MiLB needs the 220 young men of the AMLU. Even if somehow they "broke" the union, the majority of those 220 would be selected to return to work. They are the best and most qualified to work in the minor leagues, the AMLU knows it, MiLB knows it, PBUC knows it, the players and managers also know it. The only ones denying it are those outside of the game, those that wish to believe that umpires in the amateur ranks are going to "get their shot." What a let down it will be when they realize they never were taken seriously, by either side; they were only Scabs.

This next week should prove important and interesting...stay tuned...

[Kaliix]

Well Jiggy, you proved me wrong, you didn't post some inane crap... it was actually a half way decent post.

But you still didn't post a source did you??? I called that one didn't I...

You also conveniently forgot the other part of my statement, the one about the quality of your posts being as much a part of my assessment of you. Nice try...

WWTB has posted on this board for a while on matters related to baseball umpiring and I have come to find that he is believable and his information, for the most part, to be pretty accurate. He has established that credibility over time.

You haven't established any credibilty, so yes, the fact that you just got here most certainly factors into whether or not I believe you.

WWTB is not anti-AMLU and is probably more objective than the majority of posters on this board. My personal feelings on this particular matter pretty much mirror what I have seen him post. It is obvious to me that you haven't read his writings on this matter by the way you are trying to characterize his position. Either that, or you are so pro-union that it blinds you to any discussion of whether this strike was a good idea or not.

Originally Posted by JIGGY

You are inclined to believe someone based on how long they have been posting huh? That's perfectly logical...

And... I've said before. I am only speaking on those things I have seen first hand. I need not site a source because I am not repeating anything anyone else has said. WWTB can only claim to repeat what others who are in the game have said. The fact that he refuses to name his sources leads me to believe he is simply attempting to act as though he is something he isn't in front of an audience that by and large wouldn't be able to tell the difference. His post are purely emotional and clearly anti-AMLU vs. being objective and informed on the issue. He has shown only an intent to influence others to take a negative view of the AMLU and preach doom and gloom for the labor situation. This is a cowardly thing to do, especially considering his only basis for his commentary is his "sources" which he will not identify. The facts show that the players, managers, and other club personnel aren't completely happy with things. Their comments aren't just normal complaining about umpiring. They speak specifically to a comparison between what they are used to and what they are seeing now. There have been numerous situations that have occurred, that likely would not have occurred with the normal AMLU umpires. It simply cannot be argued that the Scabs are just as good of umpires, as PBUC and MiLB themselves have said otherwise. Sure the games are being played (in case there was a misunderstanding; the AMLU's intent by striking was not to keep the games from happening at all, just to keep the AMLU umpires from umpiring and demonstrate their necessity to the game). MiLB has put out across the board gag orders and no-argument directives; a move that shows their expectation of problems with what they admit is sub-par umpiring. This is part of the spin MiLB has attempted in this situation, admittedly they have managed the press better than has the AMLU. However, the AMLU recognized early (before the strike actually began) that in this case, public opinion would not play any significant part and that the added difficulty of finding, living with, and keeping Scabs would. Remaining objective and looking at only the facts, one cannot honestly believe the "doom and gloom" scenario WWTB and others would like to preach. It only serves to vent frustration from those who have jealousies against the AMLU guys, weather it be for where they are, or the fact that they choose to demand more and assert that they are worth it. Simple fact of the matter is, either way MiLB needs the 220 young men of the AMLU. Even if somehow they "broke" the union, the majority of those 220 would be selected to return to work. They are the best and most qualified to work in the minor leagues, the AMLU knows it, MiLB knows it, PBUC knows it, the players and managers also know it. The only ones denying it are those outside of the game, those that wish to believe that umpires in the amateur ranks are going to "get their shot." What a let down it will be when they realize they never were taken seriously, by either side; they were only Scabs.

This next week should prove important and interesting...stay tuned...

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Well Jiggy, you proved me wrong, you didn't post some inane crap... it was actually a half way decent post.

But you still didn't post a source did you??? I called that one didn't I...

You also conveniently forgot the other part of my statement, the one about the quality of your posts being as much a part of my assessment of you. Nice try...

WWTB has posted on this board for a while on matters related to baseball umpiring and I have come to find that he is believable and his information, for the most part, to be pretty accurate. He has established that credibility over time.

You haven't established any credibilty, so yes, the fact that you just got here most certainly factors into whether or not I believe you.

WWTB is not anti-AMLU and is probably more objective than the majority of posters on this board. My personal feelings on this particular matter pretty much mirror what I have seen him post. It is obvious to me that you haven't read his writings on this matter by the way you are trying to characterize his position. Either that, or you are so pro-union that it blinds you to any discussion of whether this strike was a good idea or not.

Watch and listen this next week...I think things are going to progress towards resolution.