Why Don't They Learn?

[dddunn3d]

Double header, non-conference freshman games, I agree to work them alone this past Saturday morning.

First game, 3rd inning, R1, grounder hit sharply to F3. He jabs at the bag with his foot, turns and throws (badly) to F6 covering 2B. F6 catches the ball, R1 slides in safely.

I have come out to about 10' from the mound, call BR out at 1B, and then pivot to see the play at 2B.

Well, Mr Assistant Coach goes ballistic, yelling that F3 missed the bag. He's still yelling as I go back to the plate. When I get there I give him the "stop sign," and he quiets.

End of the inning, and aforementioned coach trots by and says something to the effect that I have to see that play, that's why they pay me to be there. I tell him that he is now restricted to the dug-out for the remainder of the game.

He takes two steps towards the dug-out, and I figure that's that. But coach has to have the last word, I guess, so he yells You're Terrible!

Heave-ho!

[RPatrino]

I reserve "restricted to the dugout" for the Head Coach. Assistants get an immediate "restricted to the team bus in the parking lot" .

Bob P.

[C'monBlue]

If someone (head or assisitant coach) is irritating to the point of requiring discipline, he's gone. I can't imagine anything good resulting from his restriction to the bench.

A question for those of you who restrict: Do you find that penalty to be an effective method of disciple or do you end up eventually tossing them anyway?

[DG]

It doesn't matter what I think about restrictions. In my state we are required to restrict players and coaches, including assistants, except for 6 things that result in ejection (fighting, taunting, profanity at an official or opponent, obscene jestures, biting, and disrespectfully addressing or making contact with an official). We fill out forms on ejections and there are penalties for those that get ejected. For restrictions, no forms, no penalties beyond the one game.

I would consider "you're terrible" as disrespectfully addressing, toss him and happily fill out the form and send it in.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by DG

It doesn't matter what I think about restrictions. In my state we are required to restrict players and coaches, including assistants, except for 6 things that result in ejection (fighting, taunting, profanity at an official or opponent, obscene jestures, biting, and disrespectfully addressing or making contact with an official). We fill out forms on ejections and there are penalties for those that get ejected. For restrictions, no forms, no penalties beyond the one game.

I would consider "you're terrible" as disrespectfully addressing, toss him and happily fill out the form and send it in.

What state is it that you work in where you have common instances of biting?

[DG]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

What state is it that you work in where you have common instances of biting?

There used to be only 5 things to get ejected for. I think biting was added this year, or maybe last, so there was no doubt some biting going on somewhere to cause this change. I don't think it is common. Probably about as common as having a small amount of white in the logo of the pitcher's glove having some impact on a game... but you know where that lead.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by DG

Mr Assistant Coach goes ballistic, yelling

Originally Posted by DG

In my state we are required to restrict players and coaches, including assistants, except for ... disrespectfully addressing ...an official)

I would consider going ballistic and yelling as disrespectfully addressing an official, wouldn't everyone else?

HC gets a little leeway here... but an assistant coach going ballistic will be immediately ejected in any ballpark, any level, by 99% of the umpires around, self included.

(PS - one note on the actual sitch... did you actually see F3 touch the bag? And if he did, in fact, miss the base, would R1 have been out, since now his out is a force? How nice would it have been to have ASSistant coach go ballistic, you change the call, decide BR is safe, and ring up R1 instead... )

[TwoBits]

Coach: How could you not see that?

Solo Ump: Well, Coach, that's the $50 question.

Coach: What's that supposed to mean?

Solo Ump: For another $50 you could have hired a second umpire that could have seen that!

[DG]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I would consider going ballistic and yelling as disrespectfully addressing an official, wouldn't everyone else?

HC gets a little leeway here... but an assistant coach going ballistic will be immediately ejected in any ballpark, any level, by 99% of the umpires around, self included.

(PS - one note on the actual sitch... did you actually see F3 touch the bag? And if he did, in fact, miss the base, would R1 have been out, since now his out is a force? How nice would it have been to have ASSistant coach go ballistic, you change the call, decide BR is safe, and ring up R1 instead... )

Doesn't everybody just hate it when someone quotes words you didn't use, take others out of context by omitting words in between other words, and then make a point already made?

I just ignore assistants, screaming or calmly speaking, until they say "you're terrible" and then they are disrespectfully addressing an umpire. And I think I already made that point.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

I reserve "restricted to the dugout" for the Head Coach. Assistants get an immediate "restricted to the team bus in the parking lot" .

Bob P.

And in a freshman game? Working solo? Jeez.