No one has ever told me this before...

[LMan]

Originally Posted by David B

If your association is doing this, you ought to look for a new one - that is simply bad mechanics. PU take the first play at third??

Not only does he have a horrible angle but he is making the call at 50+ ft where BU has a great angle from B and is only about 30 ft from the call or so.

How can PU ever see a sweep tag or if the runner does a hook slide?

Not possible. I would definitely ask for some explaination from the association trainer etc.,

Thanks
David

not that the following is absolutely definitive, but from my last camp the MLB instructor-umpire reiterated that the only 2 plays that the PU can/should 'help' at 3B in the 2-man are R1 and R1-R3 when the ball leaves the infield and PU can take a potential play of the lead runner at 3B.

Ive never, ever heard of PU taking ANY play at 3B on a ball to the infield.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by LMan

not that the following is absolutely definitive, but from my last camp the MLB instructor-umpire reiterated that the only 2 plays that the PU can/should 'help' at 3B in the 2-man are R1 and R1-R3 when the ball leaves the infield and PU can take a potential play of the lead runner at 3B.

Ive never, ever heard of PU taking ANY play at 3B on a ball to the infield.

LMan,

I agree wholeheartedly that those are 2 situations. How about R1 and R2 tag up at 2nd and advances to 3rd? We teach that PU has 3rd on this as well.

Also, some umpires like to have the PU take 3rd with R2 and it's the second play in the infield, as when F5 throws across to 1st, the PU covers R2 at 3rd. I do not like this, and I always tell my partner in the pre-game that I will take both plays as BU.

[RPatrino]

What is the "v" mechanic? Doesn't this refer to catch-no catch in the outfield?

Also, I've been taught to watch the ball, and as the base ump, to open toward the ball and let the ball lead me to the play. I think we are getting away from the "watch the ball-glance at the runner" concept.

Bob P.

[mick]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

LMan,

I agree wholeheartedly that those are 2 situations. How about R1 and R2 tag up at 2nd and advances to 3rd? We teach that PU has 3rd on this as well.

Also, some umpires like to have the PU take 3rd with R2 and it's the second play in the infield, as when F5 throws across to 1st, the PU covers R2 at 3rd. I do not like this, and I always tell my partner in the pre-game that I will take both plays as BU.

I am the first to acknowledge that I am not a skilled Baseball mechanic, but it just makes sense to me for PU to be heads-up and down the line for the throw from 1st back to 3rd, If something happens at 1st (eg., pulled foot, bobble) BU is gonna lose time turning attention to a close play at 3rd. [No praw if PU is ready.]
mick

[big]

The first thing that hit me here was that the PU did the right thing in getting out to cover the play. Being human we umps do make mistakes (GASP!) from time to time and when your partner at the plate is doing his job and getting out to make the call it makes you both look better, much better!

Never assume you partner, BU or PU, will always be in position to make the call. Things happen. A partner can always fall down, get blocked by players, make a mistake and go the wrong way, what have you. It's a pleasure working with a partner that works with you as a team!

[DG]

First play in the infield has always been the BU's call, so no need to discuss in pregame. However, asking the PU to take a play at 1B and then be in position for a subsequent play at 3B is a tough one. As a PU I have always moved up the line when it appears evident there could be a play at 3B AFTER a play at 1B. Very likely situation is runner at 2B and ground ball hit to F5 or F6. As a BU I have always been pleased to make a banger at 1B and then turn to see my partner getting in position for a potential play at 3B. Perhaps this is something I should add to pregame discussion.