WBC/Umpire Apology - Page 2

SanDiegoSteve · #16 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 13, 2006, 09:38pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarthB
[QUOTE]Originally posted by umpduck11

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Originally posted by btman

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Originally posted by mcrowder
While I agree that it's not a great idea for MLB to be running around making apologies after every judgement error by an umpire, and I think it's actually quite silly that the NFL does so except in egregious errors (like fouling up a play that was REVIEWED)...

This is different. It is an international competition, and the first of it's kind. I think a decent amount of goodwill might be generated from an honest admission of the mistake. What if Japan fails to make the 3rd round solely on this call. You think they'll come back? Or might they fold up their pride and refuse to play in what they likely think is an inherently biased competition?

wHEN DID WE GET AN APOLOGY FOR pEARL HARBOR?

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Over 20 years ago.

I believe we extracted our own "apology" at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Idiot

[Edited by GarthB on Mar 13th, 2006 at 08:49 PM]

Wow, I sure hope you're talking to btman and not umpduck! The Duck speaks the truth.

GarthB · #17 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 13, 2006, 10:32pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarthB

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Originally posted by umpduck11

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Originally posted by btman

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Originally posted by mcrowder
While I agree that it's not a great idea for MLB to be running around making apologies after every judgement error by an umpire, and I think it's actually quite silly that the NFL does so except in egregious errors (like fouling up a play that was REVIEWED)...

This is different. It is an international competition, and the first of it's kind. I think a decent amount of goodwill might be generated from an honest admission of the mistake. What if Japan fails to make the 3rd round solely on this call. You think they'll come back? Or might they fold up their pride and refuse to play in what they likely think is an inherently biased competition?

wHEN DID WE GET AN APOLOGY FOR pEARL HARBOR?

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Over 20 years ago.

I believe we extracted our own "apology" at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Idiot

[Edited by GarthB on Mar 13th, 2006 at 08:49 PM]

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Wow, I sure hope you're talking to btman and not umpduck! The Duck speaks the truth.

War, even when justifed, is a terrible thing. I spoke to the apparent revelling in death,which only an idiot would do regardless of the "side" taken.

umpduck11 · #18 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 13, 2006, 10:36pm

My point was that it was war. Japan would
no sooner apologize for Pearl Harbor at that time
than we would have for dropping nuclear bombs on their
cities.
I take no pleasure out of war, and certainly
was not "revelling" in it.

[Edited by umpduck11 on Mar 13th, 2006 at 10:38 PM]

GarthB · #19 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 13, 2006, 10:41pm

"That's interference", wait for the play to conclude, "That's coach's inteference, the runner is out."

jumpmaster · #20 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 14, 2006, 07:19am

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Originally posted by btman

War, even when justifed, is a terrible thing. I spoke to the apparent revelling in death,which only an idiot would do regardless of the "side" taken. [/B]

We cornered the japenese into WW2, pearl Harbor was defensive. Then we mass slaughterd civilians inside Japan's mainland to send a message to the Russions, had nothing to do with the Japs, they had offered surrender months before, documented, released and unclasified and not up to firther discussion, we sent them the ultimatum to get out of Indochina. They couldn't we knew they couldn't so war was on.

Why? Becus we wanted Indochina for our own, oil pipleines, the same reasons the French raped it for five decades.

Kids die for business reasons not for glory and this country is nothing more than one, huge business.

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To paraphrase one of America's great writers, "we sleep peacefully at night because rough men stand ready to do an ugly business"

...you are welcome.

War is neither simple or appealing. The reasons are complex, intertwined and the act of war is always ugly. Yet it is a FACT of the human life. Revisionist history through the eyes of the 21st century will only cloud the lessons that our children, both Japanese and American, should learn.

But this is an umpire forum and not a philosophy of war forum...I digress.