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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 09:15am
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Well,
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" . . . plus, my F2's appreciate it." And this is just an example of how different regions of America react to different situations. This coming August 3rd will mark the 25th anniversary of the last time I tossed a ball back to F1. Just before each catcher throws down to second in the first inning I say: "My name is Tee and I don't throw balls back to the pitcher I will hand them to you." The universal answer I get in my neck of the woods is: "Thanks, I HATE umpires that throw the ball back, I like to do it!" Just matters what is the situation on your part of the globe. 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 09:29am
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never throw
I never throw a ball back to the pitcher for many of the reasons listed before....but a few years ago I had given a ball to the catcher to throw back to the pitcher and he drilled the ball back and caught the unsuspecting pitcher in the side of the head......If I had thrown it, I
'd expect to get a call from mommy and daddy's attorney....as it was all it turned out was a "sorry man, I thought you were looking....... Stan
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 09:29am
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Once again the redneck from NC here (which coincidentally is the home of Jerry Narron). I used to exclusively throw the ball to F1. I've noticed my throwing isn't so hot so now I will hand the ball to F2 if he stays put and toss the ball to F1 if the catcher is gone. Usually F1 has come toward the plate and it's only about a 40 ft throw to him.
We have very few on deck batters that chased passed balls with no one on and foul balls to the screens. Catchers almost exclusively handle this. I actually think it's good for them on a true passed ball, it teaches them to catch the dang ball instead of screwing it up  .Lawrence
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 12:17pm
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I always give the ball to F2, unless he is slow out of the dugout and F1 wants the ball to start the inning. F1 has to ask for it though.
We also have the on deck batter get the WP and PB with no-one on or no-stealing situations (in leagues that use those). Many of these leagues have time limits so anything to keep the games moving.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 01:17pm
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As a rule, I never throw the ball back to F1.
On the rare occasion I must, maybe the F2 has had a stroke, or coronary ( I do some men's senior ball) I do my best Phil Niekro imitation and knuckle the ball back to F1. Bob P.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 07:56pm
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Where I work, neither the ondeck guy nor the coach will chase foul balls, unless they happen to roll right in front of them. F2 is going to chase it no matter what I do, so I might as well get a ball to F1 right away to speed up the game. I can't call "play" with a foul ball lying by the backstop, and I'm sure as hell not going to go get it..... reading the other responses, this may be more a matter of the level of ball. I gotta get to the 'ballboy' level so I can do what yall do!  [Edited by LMan on Mar 10th, 2006 at 07:59 PM]
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Fri Mar 10, 2006, 10:01pm
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I'm interested to hear you all hand it to F2. My association tells me to throw it back ALWAYS. If you have are physically able.
I had a catcher last year who said, just give me the damn ball. I used to catch, I kind of understand his frustration, by throwing you are interupting the chemistry that the catcher and pitcher have. But I had a very important umpire in the association working the bases that game, so I told F2 that as a rule the umpire should be throwing the ball back, and that I understood where he was coming from. I then made it a point to pick up his mask a couple times for him. I stick it into F1's glove pretty good, the thing that scares me about throwing it back is the one time the pitcher isn't ready for it, you break the kid's nose, and now you have serious problems. If I were making the rules, always hand it to F2.
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Sat Mar 11, 2006, 02:00am
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Unless F2 is way up the line from chasing a foul ball that went out of play, I give the ball to F2.
And, when balls come back from out of play, I always have F2 catch them, and hand them to me. I also say thank you each time. It just doesn't look good to miss a throw to F1, or to bobble a ball that has been thrown to you from the dugout. Also, if you're on a field that has a deep backstop (as it should be), don't make F2 chase a passed ball with no runners on, or a foul ball. Hand him a new ball, and let the on deck batter get it. You will be surprised at how much time is saved. [Edited by nickrego on Mar 12th, 2006 at 02:11 AM]
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 12:30am
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i was down in STL today and yesterday watching my brother play (D3) and smitty PU was throwing the ball back almost every time. he buried at least 3 balls into the dirt, and threw 2 over F1's head.
oh yeah, he was wearing a black MLB uniform shirt with andy fletcher's number on it (i had to look that up, its #49). this guy probably couldnt even spell MLB.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 02:16am
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2. my "beef" with the guy is that he thought he was a big shot wearing his MLB uniform shirt. last i checked, you dont just find those anywhere. the guy wore that shirt in both games, on the bases and the plate, with a navy hat. this was all while his partner wore a navy jacket and navy hat during both games. he was wearing the shirt simply to show it off, and any mom in the stands could have told you that. i only bring up fletcher because 49 is fletchers number, no problem with fletch. 3. **** you is all you are getting out of that one. email me in private if you want to talk **** on my family. that is not what this thread is for. [Edited by briancurtin on Mar 12th, 2006 at 02:32 AM]
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 08:19am
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Brian:
You're above verbally jousting with this troll. He's just trying to bait you. If we ignore him he'll eventually slither off back to his own forum where he can post back and forth to himself. Tim.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 03:08pm
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Brian,
Are you saying that this guy was wearing an actual MLB jersey complete with patch? Was this actually an Andy Fletcher jersey? If so, what a boob! It is hard to believe anybody would wear a black shirt with a navy hat, or not dress to match his partner. I would scratch that idiot in a hurry. There is nothing wrong with wearing MLB black, as long as your hat and ball bags match, and your partner is dressed the same way. I throw the ball back to the pitcher with short backstops when the catcher chases the ball. On 60ft. backstops, we have the on-deck hitter chase the ball, and I pound the new ball into the catcher's mitt.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 04:38pm
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We digressed into a uniform color debate. Wear the color that is appropriate to your area. Please don't post that wearing black or blue or light blue or white or chartreuse, etc is acceptable. It may only be acceptable in your domain.
The reason minor league umpires are taught to throw the ball back is to speed the game up. If you are incapable of that throw, by all means hand the ball to the catcher and have him return it. If you choose to throw a ball back, do it properly. Step away from the batter and toss it - don't try your deuce or splitter. Don't play keep away or bounce it in either. Typically the pitcher is in front of the mound and you are only 50 feet from him. Have some pride and make a good throw if you choose to do this mechanic. Otherwise, stay behind the catcher and save your arm for cocktails after the game. As an aside, I've witnessed many colleagues come into a season with a bum wing. I know of one guy who couldn;t throw a ball back if he wanted too. A freak late winter storm dumped some snow that was perfect ammunition for a snowball fight with his two sons. He threw his arm out and had rotator cuff surgery - missing the entire season! Now is the time that Chicago area guys are getting ready. Stretch, loosen up, jog and lose that winter weight. Pulling a hamstring, tricep or lower back is never fun. Especially in front of a ball field full of athletes.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006, 07:03pm
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You only have to yell "On deck!!" a couple of times to get everyone on the same track. Coaches in the boxes often retrieve foul balls; coaches on defense, never, since I don't let them out of the dugout. Concerning returning the ball to the pitcher: Professional umpires on the way up fire the ball to the pitcher; it's one way they demonstrate they belong on the field with professional ball players. I hope they have good liability insurance.
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