An Unbelievable Throw?

[woolnojg]

Bullets do not rise from spin.
Airplanes do not fly by pushing air down.

All firearms are bore-sighted by aligning the angle of the barrel with the angle of the sight at a fixed point in the distance. Up until that point the bullet 'rises' due to the upward angle of the barrel in relation to the sight.
Airplanes fly by pusing air up. Look at the shape of a wing, flat on bottom and curved over the top. The Flat surface does not push air down but the curved surface pushes air up. The wing displace the same amount of air over both top and bottom surfaces. With the air going over the top, it need to travel a greater distance so the air pressure is lower. The pressure differential pushes the wing up and the wing pushes the plane up. That is lift.
Planes have lift due to constant accelration.
Baseball's and bullets have constant decelleration. Therefore, they fall.

[NIump50]

Originally posted by CJN
NLUmp:

Do you seriously take religion as scientific fact? There is overwhelming scientific evidence for an approxiamately 4 billion year old Earth and for evolution of species. Creationistic "theories" are completely and utterly untenable. I could keep going all day but I'll stop until you try me.

No
Science is a man thing
Creation is a God thing.

Do you seriously believe we came from a big bang?
IMHO it's a much greater stretch to believe big bang than it is to believe in God

I'll save you some time in this discussion.
I doubt that you have researched the other side of the argument. There's much evidence to disprove evolution and volumes of info on the subject.
You're going to believe the evidence to support your side
I believe the evidence supporting mine. On this subject I won't be swayed. I'm sure you won't be either, so there we are.
I already know that I'm a sad troll spreading propaganda in neverneverland so save your breath.

[NIump50]

Originally posted by woolnojg
Bullets do not rise from spin.
Airplanes do not fly by pushing air down.

All firearms are bore-sighted by aligning the angle of the barrel with the angle of the sight at a fixed point in the distance. Up until that point the bullet 'rises' due to the upward angle of the barrel in relation to the sight.
Airplanes fly by pusing air up. Look at the shape of a wing, flat on bottom and curved over the top. The Flat surface does not push air down but the curved surface pushes air up. The wing displace the same amount of air over both top and bottom surfaces. With the air going over the top, it need to travel a greater distance so the air pressure is lower. The pressure differential pushes the wing up and the wing pushes the plane up. That is lift.
Planes have lift due to constant accelration.
Baseball's and bullets have constant decelleration. Therefore, they fall.

Sorry Wool
At 50 yds my 308 shoots flat, between 100-150 yds it's 1.5-2" high and then flat again at 200.
It does make a small difference based on how hot a round I'm firing but it rises none the less.
I'm pretty sure it's not an optical illusion.

[GarthB]

Originally posted by NIump50

No
Science is a man thing
Creation is a God thing.

Do you seriously believe we came from a big bang?

According to my dad, I did.

[SAump]

If anything, each of my post adds something NEW. I have posted many times on this theme because I enjoy it. I don't keep repeating the same old lines. I have offered a variety of ideas for you to consider. About the only thing I repeat is that a baseball can be thrown THROWN OVERHAND over a horizontal distance. If it is thrown hard enough, say 100 mph, it will not appear to rise, IT WILL RISE before it HITS the MITT. It REALLY NEVER FALLS if it travels horizontally, does it? The fact you can't see it RISE may be the very reason you don't believe it is rising at all. Let's see, Horizontal flight = Balance of RISE and FALL, Hmmmm.

The baseball, released from about 7 feet (under GRAVITY) falls 5 feet into the 2 foot high strike zone because that is where the PITCHER AIMED. That's my argument. An 18 year old kid can throw the baseball HORIZONTALLY for 60 feet. He doesn't need to aim above the catcher's mit. The catcher can stand up and raise his arm to seven feet. The pitcher after some warm up tosses can throw the ball straight into the catcher's mitt. NO GRAVITATIONAL effects until the ball begins to FALL. No aiming 5 feet above the mitt (HEEHEEHEE). Any third baseman in pro ball can throw a LINER to first. Gravity plays little role on a LINER. SORRY DUDES. Its time to change the tune. Perhaps the ball would have fallen had the mitt not been there. But I didn't see any fall over shorter distances.

[SAump]

Who deleted the original thread? I posted many quality statements and mostly original. Now I have read similar statements expressed by another NEW member. You guys confuse his argument with mine. You attack him as if it was me who is repeating the message. You add his name to the SEXtet because he is willing to express an opinion different from your own. How can you shave in the morning?

Man is walking the earth for some 8000 (or more) years wondering about FLIGHT. For the last 100 years, man has witnessed FLIGHT. Don't pretend LIFT only exists for airplanes because they have wings. I have often stated that it is time to update your physics book.

When you JUMP, the GROUND supplies LIFT. Well so does the air at 100 mph. The arms and legs supply the energy. LIFT exists for any FLYING OBJECT (spinning or NOT). It would be another falling object and falling doesn't amount to FLYING, unless your an acrobatic skydiver using his arms and legs like WINGS.

[Edited by SAump on Mar 10th, 2006 at 02:29 AM]

[briancurtin]

Originally posted by SAump
Any third baseman in pro ball can throw a LINER to first. Gravity plays little role on a LINER. SORRY DUDES. Its time to change the tune. Perhaps the ball would have fallen had the mitt not been there. But I didn't see any fall over shorter distances.

when sitting in my grandfather's seats on the first base side, pretty good seats, aramis ramirez does not throw liners to first. if i remember correctly, hes a third baseman, in pro ball, and hes a good player (opinion). i might just have super human eyesight, but i can see a drop in the balls that he throws. ive also seen rafael furcal of the braves, who is known to have a very good arm from short, viewing from those same seats throws balls that drop.

could you also state why gravity plays little role on a "LINER", and why there is supposedly no fall over short distances?

[SAump]

Airplanes do not fly by pushing air down. (FALSE, wings push air DOWN)
Airplanes fly by pushing air up. (FALSE, the ROUND leading edge pushes air BOTH UP and DOWN, mostly down) If any plane pushes air up, then it is going DOWN.

Look at the shape of a wing, flat on bottom and curved over the top. (TRUE to supply lift) If it was curved over the bottom -> NO LIFT!
The ANGLE of the bottom edge connected to the plane is PITCHED upward and pushes MORE air downward. More AIR is pushed below the plane than above.

The Flat surface does not push air down but the curved surface pushes air up. (FALSE, impossible)

The wing displace the same amount of air over both top and bottom surfaces. (FALSE)

With the air going over the top, it need to travel a greater distance so the air pressure is lower. (FALSE)

The pressure differential pushes the wing up and the wing pushes the plane up. That is lift. (TRUE)

Planes have lift due to constant acceleration. (FALSE)
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Almost EVERYTHING written ABOVE about AIRPLANES is completely FALSE. Please don't believe it. I have already posted a website that explains why it is WRONG. I really am not sure why he would write it.

[Edited by SAump on Mar 10th, 2006 at 01:41 AM]

[SAump]

could you also state why gravity plays little role on a "LINER", and why there is supposedly no fall over short distances?
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Can you explain how - 16 ft/s/s or - 9.8 m/s/s applies to anything that rises, or even a LINER? I can only uses to explain the falling part of a non-liner parabolic flight path. I can't use it to explain the rising part of the flight path or a LINER. I need other INFO to do that. But I can use a horizontal line to explain the 57-foot path of a 100 mph fastball that comes to a very sudden STOP. I suppose you saw it FALL too.

Ever see a LINER RISE into a 3B glove from the 3B side?

Just a very good arm? Raffy has one of the best arms in the game. I don't suppose you think he only has very good footspeed. SO you saw Raffy toying with a very slow baserunner and you want to say ???. Can he throw it 100 mph?

Need a LIFT?

[briancurtin]

i knew you would post pretty much everything in that post. thanks for the laugh.

ps. i love your random caps lock problems.

[GarthB]

I can hear Ned Beatty now.

[SAump]

i knew you would post pretty much everything in that post. thanks for the laugh.

I already knew you were a mindreader. You need not brag about it and tell everybody else. Oh, I forgot, thats how you mindreaders STRIKE UP the bandwagon. I also knew you weren't headed anywhere. Thanks for the confirmation.

Love the pointless questions. Too bad you never understand the answers. Can you name any other third basemen with weak arms? NO, please don't answer that COACH cause I might DISAGREE. I would rather know why they aren't playing first or second?


[Edited by SAump on Mar 10th, 2006 at 02:07 AM]

[SAump]

All firearms are bore-sighted by aligning the angle of the barrel with the angle of the sight at a fixed point in the distance.
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Just which fixed point in the distance are you talking about?

It takes MORE than a little talent/practice locating all those fixed points along a LINE. I suppose if you tell us, we can all become mindreading swat members overnight.

[SAump]

You remember NEWTON's famous APPLE, I read that one was drawn on the side of his tomb somewhere in ENGLAND. Everybody here knows about Gravity. I wish they would consider a clue from the other 3 or 4 laws of MOTION.

Say a bullet exits a long barrel. Suppose those forces behind the bullet follow it upon exit. Suppose those forces are greatly reduced soon afterward by AIR. Do you think that the back end of the bullet might drop due to GRAVITATIONAL influences or is it an effect from the sudden reduction IN AIR of the original gun powder blasting force?

[mcrowder]

Next on Jerry Springer, "When Trolls Collide - the seedy underbelly of Troll arguments"

Let them ramble on, guys, this is going no where. You can't convince someone who is A) unwilling to believe that spin curves a ball, B) insists that because a ball thrown fast from 3rd to 1st doesn't appear to be affected by gravity, that it is in fact not affected by gravity, or C) believes the earth is 8000 years old in the face of overwhelming evidence otherwise.

Let it die.