Hmm,
 

The illustrations you have included are not the stance as it was taught to me.

At all,

Tee:

Here's the link to the cage work photo gallery at Evans.


http://www.umpireacademy.com/introduction.html


Tim.

i used to have a good picture of GD working the plate during a cubs/sox spring training game, im looking for it. neither of the images shown are of the GD variety.

Correct Brian,
 

Neither picture are of the Davis stance.

I guess it is also new that some teach the stance with a "heel-to-toe" reference.

We were taught to be double wide and a straight line from toe-to-toe . . . that makes it a square only stance.

I had never heard, until today, that someone teaches it angled.

No, there not of the GD stance. They are photos illustrating to Bob P. what's taught as the heel to toe stance at the LL CR. Garth and Bob seemed to not like what LL was teaching and my point was that Evans teaches the same thing as one of their plate stances.


Tim.

Here's one of our favorites using the GD stance.

http://www.laist.com/attachments/la_...s206-thumb.jpg


Tim.

"I had never heard, until today, that someone teaches it angled."

There is an article by, I believe, Mr. Childress, that someone on this board referred us to last summer, that mentions that the GD system can be employed using either a squared (balanced) or a heel-toe stance. Last fall, I tried both, and felt that there was little difference, although I will work this spring from the squared (balanced) stance, as that is seen as being preferable to most (like you, apparently).

The way the GD was taught by GD is to use the squared up approach. Not heel-toe.

Now as to my "issues" with the LL method, it mostly relates to lack of a consistant lock in mechanism. If you are using the forearm that goes across your belly as your lock in mechanism then you are setting up too low, IMO. The way I was taught is that you must have a lock in mechanism that is able to be FELT, like when your elbows are LOCKED and your head is solid. I get no such feel from the LL method as it is taught.

Bob

That picture doesn't exactly give it a ringing endorsement!

Big Ump56
 

Evans does not teach the hand behind the knee as you pictured. The hand is on the knee as in the GD stance. You just found a picture on the Evan's site of a student doing it WRONG.
So Evan's does not teach LL mechanics!!!

I guess that makes a lot of sense. Bill Davis who is an instructor for Div 1 umpires teaches the wrong stance.

And, Jim Evans allowed a photo of a student using the wrong stance to be put up as an illustration on his web site.


Tim.

Tim:

Easiest way I know to find out how Jim teaches anything is to attend his academy or one of his week-long classics. I enjoyed the hell out of his Desert Classic and had planned on going again this past fall until it was cancelled.

You may be surprised by what you'll see first hand. And, you will definitely go home a better umpire. Everyone does. (Except maybe that one guy that kept saying, "That's not how I learned it at Regionals." Everyone tired of him quickly and even though he kept getting the same opportunities to learn as the rest, he just didn't open his mind to them. What a waste.)

Garth:

What exactly does he teach as a proper stance?


Thanks,

Tim.

Uh, I think you missed his point.

But what the hell, ask him again.

Tim . . .
 

We have a three day Evans camp on March 3, 4, & 5.

I have been told that I will be "required" to work the stand heel-toe that is taught at school during days one and two. On Sunday I will be "allowed" to work Davis.

I guess they will ban me from the first two days as I will not work another stance.

lah Me!