Slide or avoid - USSSA league

[Kaliix]

I used to play a lot of racquetball. When one player was about to hit the ball and the other inadvertently got right in their way, you could hold up, not hit the ball, and call hinder. It was the gentlemanly thing to do and the point was replayed.

In baseball however there are no hinders. If I was a coach, I would simply tell my players to throw the ball. It is the base runner's responsibility to get the heck out of the way. If for some reason the pivot man could see that his throw was going to nail someone and they had time to think about it and double clutch, I would encourage them to do that as I'm sure interference would likely be called.

But first and foremost they should just complete the throw and tried for the double play. I think that maybe what Steve had been trying to say.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by Kaliix
I used to play a lot of racquetball. When one player was about to hit the ball and the other inadvertently got right in their way, you could hold up, not hit the ball, and call hinder. It was the gentlemanly thing to do and the point was replayed.

In baseball however there are no hinders. If I was a coach, I would simply tell my players to throw the ball. It is the base runner's responsibility to get the heck out of the way. If for some reason the pivot man could see that his throw was going to nail someone and they had time to think about it and double clutch, I would encourage them to do that as I'm sure interference would likely be called.

But first and foremost they should just complete the throw and tried for the double play. I think that maybe what Steve had been trying to say.

Thank you. Yes, that's what I was trying to say exactly. If a baserunner is in the way of a direct throw to first base, he is liable to get beaned. That's what I meant. The coach should tell the fielder to go ahead and throw the ball.

I understand all the legal liabilities these days. Everything is litigation. Sorry for offending your PC sensibilities folks, but I learned how to play baseball before they had a "slide or avoid rule." We played rough and tumble baseball back in the day, and after that, we were old enough to join Little League. We entered the game knowing the fundamentals, which is very different today. Our coaches would have had no problem with what I said.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by mbyron

To quote a sage, this ties for the dumbest post on the internet. Who's going to pay those coaches' legal bills - you?

I've seen some of your articles, so I guess they are what my post is tied with.

[GarthB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve

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The coach should tell the fielder to go ahead and throw the ball.

That's a much different statement than: "chuck it right at their melon."

[SanDiegoSteve]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarthB

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve

That's a much different statement than: "chuck it right at their melon."

Yes, in hindsight, that was a bit over the top.

[JJ]

I liken this play to a batter's interference on a steal - just because he's there (the batter in front of the plate or the runner standing in the base path) doesn't mean he interfered. That's why I get the big money - to decide if he interfered.

JJ

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by thomaswhite

It was stupid advice then, it is stupid advice today, it will be stupid advice tomorrow.

What you teach is to turn the DP and get the out and if the R gets hit, then you hope you get an interference call to bail out your stupid throw.

Hey Tom,

Come in standing up when I'm turning the DP and see what I do then. I know I'll get the interference call, and the throw will not have been stupid, but you will have been.

[Kaliix]

After saying that Steves advice was stupid (3 times) and inferring that he was as well, you should likely take your own advice.

Pejorative words like "stupid" are not a sign of maturity...

Originally posted by thomaswhite

Grow up.

[David Emerling]

USSSA uses OBR. They have a "no collision rule" but the situation described does not come under that category since there was no collision.

There is no equivalent of the FED FPSR.

The middle infielder should have thrown the ball just like the big leaguers do. Had he done that, a valuable lesson would have been learned.

Either ...

R1 would learn how much it hurts when hit with a baseball, or

The middle infielder would find out what happens when you try to throw *around* a runner who is in the way ... a WILD THROW!

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[Kaliix]

What...????????

Originally posted by thomaswhite
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Kaliix
[B]What...????????

He's just telling you that just about every other poster here posts after the very bottom quote sign. That lets people read the points being made in order instead of seeing the answer before the question- as per posting at the top.

Make sense now?

[Kaliix]

I kinda figured that was what he was getting at. I feel just the opposite. I don't like having to read through (and scroll through) pages of stuff I just read just to see a paragraph of response. At least when you post on the top, you can read the good stuff first...

Notice he has posted twice though to my post without actually responding to it. Maybe he is a dancer in his free time...

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
[B]

He's just telling you that just about every other poster here posts after the very bottom quote sign. That lets people read the points being made in order instead of seeing the answer before the question- as per posting at the top.

Make sense now?

[BigUmp56]

I think what he's saying is that Windy is upset by the volume of post's he's made in such a short time. There are some forums that provide a monthly top poster list each month.

For whatever reason, I think some people think topping that list gives credence to what they have to say.

Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by David Emerling
USSSA uses OBR. They have a "no collision rule" but the situation described does not come under that category since there was no collision.

There is no equivalent of the FED FPSR.

The middle infielder should have thrown the ball just like the big leaguers do. Had he done that, a valuable lesson would have been learned.

Either ...

R1 would learn how much it hurts when hit with a baseball, or

The middle infielder would find out what happens when you try to throw *around* a runner who is in the way ... a WILD THROW!

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

David,

Pretty much exactly what I said, minus the "melon" part.

[JJ]

[/B][/QUOTE]
Where's the list? [/B][/QUOTE]

You are the only one on the list, thomaswhite.

JJ