FED Bat weight

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by His High Holiness


This was the result after you edited it. What, pray tell, was it like before you edited it.

I changed one word.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Fed rules? Last time I checked, most serious umpires (and this might be a regional thing) work under NF and college rules. If you look at all the publications that Referee Magazine puts out and the quizzes and that Right Sports puts out, they focus on NF and NCAA rules. They do give pro rules (they do not refer to them as OBR, SURPRISE!!!!) references, but just for argument sake.

Most umpires that I know that do Legion, LL, Pony, Colt and any other youth baseball or youths sports in general, they use NF rules. OBR rules do not apply always to the most of us. The Legion Leagues and Pony Leagues that I did, used NF rules. And because I did not do very many of those leagues and mostly did Iowa Baseball during the summer, NF rules is what I was under most of the time.

And I can see how competent of an official you are. I am a member of an very well known association in Chicago that has Big 10 and other D1 officials (football and basketball) NBA officials, NFL offiicals. This association does not focus on baseball, so I am not aware if any MLB umpires have ever been around this association. There is even officials from the ABA, IBL, WNBA and Arena Football League just to name a few. My point is that every football and basketball meeting that I have ever been at in this association or others that I am a member of, do not just focus on one code of rules. And because that many of the officials do college and HS, the discussion is mostly about these two levels. And I am talking about individuals that do both on a regular basis. So sorry but most never just do one level that are on the college ranks. Unless you have been at the college level for years and fly all over the country every day and night, chances are you do both if you are a college official or umpire. But you already knew that right?

Peace

Originally posted by badbamaump
Rut, Rut, Rut....

I think I understand how college umpiring works bud...

But the sudden revelation that you're a college umpire shocks those of us will a memory..... you constantly harp on the fact that you only call FED rules... I'll leave the rest of this for anyone else to figure out for themselves..

In the words of a respected, retired umpire...

You tire me.

Will

Jrutledge:

I don't know you from Adam and I don't have anything against you. That said why do you work a sport that you have such distain for. I work multiple sports also and baseball happens to be my favorite. As such I find it offensive that all umps are fat and lazy. I assure you in this area that is not the case. You have to pay your dues to get varsity, it's not a right away thing. I also work college, but I work Legion in the summer. Around here it's very good ball. They play in the adult league when they aren't playing their league.

If you think it's such a bad sport why come to discussion groups like this. Just curious.

[BJ Moose]

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Mike B
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wencher Hoh
[B]Rut write like Warren. Use many words. Say nothing.

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[QUOTE]

Mr. Rutledge:

I beg to differ. LL,Legion,BR,and PONY all play under OBR. I have the BR,PONY,and LL books all right here and I'm sure they are as I say. Maybe where you're from it's different but nationally it's OBR all the way. The only summer ball that uses FED nationally is AAU.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Michael Taylor
Mr. Rutledge:

I beg to differ. LL,Legion,BR,and PONY all play under OBR. I have the BR,PONY,and LL books all right here and I'm sure they are as I say. Maybe where you're from it's different but nationally it's OBR all the way. The only summer ball that uses FED nationally is AAU.

Depending on the league and the area. And if you look at all those leagues, NF is much more aligned with them. OBR or pro rules do not have the same restrictions on the bats and the weight of the bats (which this post was originally about) and conferences, helmets as pro rules do. And I really do not think LL and OBR are exactly one in the same. OBR are pro rules and are not going to be that different than the rest of the rules that are played in the summer, and that includes LL, BR, Pony, Colt, Legion, NF, College or Park District.

No argument here.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Michael Taylor
Jrutledge:

I don't know you from Adam and I don't have anything against you. That said why do you work a sport that you have such distain for. I work multiple sports also and baseball happens to be my favorite. As such I find it offensive that all umps are fat and lazy. I assure you in this area that is not the case. You have to pay your dues to get varsity, it's not a right away thing. I also work college, but I work Legion in the summer. Around here it's very good ball. They play in the adult league when they aren't playing their league.

If you think it's such a bad sport why come to discussion groups like this. Just curious.

Do you really want an answer or are you going to twist what I say and interperate it yourself?

I am sooooooooo sorry that what I say does not mesh with everyone's little baseball world. I could care less what level I do, I do the levels that make the most sense to me and what is worth my while. That might be the money, the level, the travel or anything that I feel is important to do that baseball game that day. And if you think Legion ball is DA BOMB, please do not let me talk you out of that. I cannot sing the praises of Babe Ruth Baseball when I have never done a single game at that level. All I can talk about is what I have experienced. Sorry that experience is NF and NCAA, which the rules are much more closely aligned with each other. If that offends you OBR babies so be it. If you do not like it, do not listen or read. Just like TV, you can always turn the channel.

But where I am from when you ask someone about their experience and the level they do, it is not bragging when you tell them. You do not see me answering LL questions, there is a reason. I will let you figure it out.

What level you do and how you feel about it does not affect me one bit, why do what I do affect you? That is a question you need to answer to yourself, not to me.

Peace

I do not care to twist anything you say, nor do I think have so far. I just don't understand why you work in a sport you don't seem to like and then come to boards and want to argue about why it's an unpopular sport. Many posts you make are very good and to the point and then you will go off on a tangent and it leaves me confused to your logic.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Michael Taylor
I do not care to twist anything you say, nor do I think have so far. I just don't understand why you work in a sport you don't seem to like and then come to boards and want to argue about why it's an unpopular sport. Many posts you make are very good and to the point and then you will go off on a tangent and it leaves me confused to your logic.

Who said I did not like baseball? You never read me tell you that I did not like baseball did you? I will admit that there are things about baseball compared to other sports I do not like as much. But that is mainly the fact that most of your games usually will get cancelled. One day you have game, the next you do not. At least I am lost a little after a cancelled game, because I have nothing else to do. This has been an unusual year though. I have only had 3 games cancelled do to weather so far.

What I do not like is the fact that people get so protective of what level they do. Personally, I do what I like and what is close. It is not easy to always do a game 4:15 in the afternoon on a weekday. I only do NF and college ball, but for those that choose to do the other summer ball, more power to them. I personally do not do much summer ball because it is very much like rec. basketball leagues. You have no administrator often times. You have "special" rules that are not in the rulebook, but only apply to the league. You have coaches who really are not coaches. These so called coaches are just dads or volunteers that think they need to argue every single imaginable thing they disagree with. If you have ever read anything I have said on the basketball board, I always say do not do rec. leagues at all. I realize that baseball is a little different, but personally there is nothing special about LL, Legion or Pony summer leagues to me. I would rather stay at home. And during the summer I am doing many basketball camps and doing baseball is not the biggest priority. At least at the NF level, if I throw out a coach or player, action will be taken. Doing these summer leagues, I will end up being the blame. Sorry I pass.

We do not have the same motivation or the same expectations. I love baseball, but I would rather have a cookout then do many of these leagues during the summer. Money is not everything.

Peace

[BenGilli]

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Hey HHH

One of my LL players is at George Washington - Greg Conden - RHP - #33 on the program.

Have you seen him throw or don't you follow the names?

Hey I played High School ball with Greg.. in Owego.. i follow him now on the GW sports web page.. awesome awesome person and player!