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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 10:20am
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USSSA 11AA game, played under OBR:
Time limit expired, bottom of the last inning, tie score. Bases loaded, one out, infield in to cut off run at the plate. Batter hits a popup to right side of the infield near the outfield grass. Since the infield was drawn in, it was not a routine play, therefore infield fly was not called. First baseman made a running catch over his shoulder for the second out and fell down. Runner on third tagged and beat the throw home for the winning run. Offensive team runs off the field. Defensive team remains on the field and appeals the runner on second didn't tag up. Defense contends that would be the third out so the run shouldn't count. Long, long discussion ensued between the umps, tournament director, coaches from both teams, and some guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Several phone calls were made to other "more experienced" umps. Eventually the decision was made that the run counts - ball game. I wasn't around when the final decision was made, but a rule that covered this scenario was apparently cited. I've been unable for find such a specific citation. 1. Did the umps get the call correct? 2. What specific citation in OBR covers this scenario? 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 10:39am
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Yes, run scores, it is a timing play.
4.09 Approved Ruling: One out, Jones on third, Smith on first, and Brown flies out to right field. Two outs. Jones tags up and scores after the catch. Smith attempted to return to first but the right fielder's throw beat him to the base. three outs. But Jones scored before the throw to catch Smith reached first base, hence Jones' run counts. It was not a force play.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 10:47am
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Unless you have three umpires probably no one was watching the play at second so call him safe. Then you don't have to worry about the protests etc., (well actually I'm just kidding about that part, but I just don't stay around and argue when the game is over) Thanks David
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 11:10am
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Calls made to more experienced umps? What kind of crap is this?
1 out bases loaded popup caught. 2 outs Appeal @2nd upheld - 3 outs. Batter was out on the catch, force is removed - run scores game over! Appeal @2nd not upheld - run scores game over! Officials obviously were incapable of handling the situation and should not be doing "such important games" where they have to call more experienced umpires. How do we get on that list and do we get paid a game fee for it?
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 11:19am
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 11:26am
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And, of course, if the third out is a force out, no runs can score.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 11:28am
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I'll tell you what, my son is 17 and would have made the call, explained to the coaches exactly what I posted and he'd have been off the field - end of story. The story is, if you officiate know the rules.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005, 02:21pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozzy6900
[B]Calls made to more experienced umps? What kind of crap is this? Reminds me of something that happened in a USSSA game last year. The names have be omitted to protect the innocent. A coach who was a very well-known MLB player protested a ruling during a game. While the tournament director was being located, he told one of the umpires that we could settle this much more quickly because he had a well-known retired MLB umpire on his cell phone speed dial. Incidently, he lost the protest.
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