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Hi guys, after a game, sometimes thoughs come about: What if?. Suppose: OBR, no outs, bases loaded. B-R hits over the fence for a homerun, R1 missed 2nd base. After rounding third goes back to correct error. Retracing his steps passes B-R between 2nd. and 3rd.
1.-Is B-R out for passing (or being ahead of) preceeding runner? or he is not ´cause ball is dead. 2.- Is R1 out on appeal? or does umpire must signal it the moment R1 goes back after touching 3rd base. I´d like to hear your oppinions. the boring icon is because of the off season! 
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Wed Nov 17, 2004, 01:29pm
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2) R1 is out on appeal
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Wed Nov 17, 2004, 09:29pm
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If a runner misses a base while the ball is dead, after he touches the next base, he can not return to touch the missed base.
So in your case, as soon as R1 touches third, he is no longer able to return and touch second base.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004, 07:47am
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"SNIP"
"So in your case, as soon as R1 touches third, he is no longer able to return and touch." ------------------------------------------------ The trouble here is that if the runner does go back after touching his advance base, the defense, due to lack of rules knowledge, will not appeal since the runner has now touched his previously missed base the last time by, albeit illegaly and there is nothing the umpire can do about it. G.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004, 09:44am
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There's no problem here. As he starts back to his base, the umpire should say, "Hey, you can't go back." This was done in that weird play in Toronto a couple years ago. Hudson awarded the guy 3rd, and then the guy went to go back, and DeMuth told him that he couldn't.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004, 06:32pm
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Wouldn't you be giving the defense an advantage by telling the runner that by rule he cannot re-tag? I'd stand by quietly,wait for a proper appeal,assuming the defense knew the rule,and ring him up at that point. Otherwise,the offense gets the base,and I have no out. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way,but I do not see it as my job to give any player information that gives one team any advantage over the other.The coaches need to know the rules also.....
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Fri Nov 19, 2004, 09:06am
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Hmmmm,
"There's no problem here. As he starts back to his base, the umpire should say, "Hey, you can't go back." This was done in that weird play in Toronto a couple years ago. Hudson awarded the guy 3rd, and then the guy went to go back, and DeMuth told him that he couldn't."
------------------------------------------------------- Please direct me to the documentation of this direction by Dana. It flies in the face of everything that Jim Evans teaches at school and camps. I would like to know if this is another step in the "changing scene" of MLB umpiring. Tee [Edited by Tim C on Nov 19th, 2004 at 02:44 PM]
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Fri Nov 19, 2004, 03:49pm
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Fri Nov 19, 2004, 10:12pm
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The fact that he can't legally return to 2B doesn't mean that he can't (physically) return to 2B. His position on the basepath is independent of what he's allowed to do. 7.08h doesn't refer to whether a runner is where the rules allow him to be. If you pass another runner before he is out, then you're out, whether the other runner should be there or not.
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