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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 08:52am
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Does anyone have any suggestions for changes to the NFHS Umpire's Manual? They're getting ready to go to print (as they do every two years) and this would be a good time to offer suggestions. Thanks!
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 12:36pm
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They are ORGANIZING the information before going to press, and I've been asked for suggestions. I'm forwarding the question to this board hoping for some good answers. Now, Garth (and everyone else), do you have any suggestions for the NFHS Umpire's Manual?
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 12:43pm
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Yes -
They can take the level 1 and 2 IHSA umpires mechanics from our certfied clinics and print those. You already have them, so this should take a few minutes. Want to save a lot of time? Post it online as a PDF and then we can download it instead of having another book to get lost in out trunks. The IHSA system is still the best one around. Yes, it has flaws, but it is still better than a lot of things I've seen for high school ball.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 01:33pm
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You Bet
Adopt the CCA mechanics, (the official NCAA mechanics) completely. I believe Oregon used them exclusively this year.
Imagine, we could have identical and consistent mechanics from high school through college.
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GB
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 06:27pm
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Yep,
As a pilot program most of Oregon this year worked CCA mechanics. As of next year the entire state will be required to use that mechanic set.
The National Federation of High Schools is actively involved with us in seeing if these mechanics can be used Nationwide. Now I have never seen the mechanics referenced by Windy, I would venture to guess they are better than the normal Fed mechannics, so I will stick with the concept that coordinating college and Fed mechanics would be a big help. Recognize a key issue here: As long as Kyle McNeely is involved in the Federation rules and mechanics group the changes that are made will be fully tested and be what is best for all the different levels of ability carried by FED umpires. The biggest challenge in working the CCA manual is that the umpires for which the book is written are expected to be: 1) In shape and, 2) Understand many of the subtlties of the game and always being ahead of the play. These are challenges for some of the people that work FEDlandia. Tee
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 07:06pm
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The NFHS umpire has always advocated that the PU take the batter-runner into 3rd base, not the BU. I don't know an umpire in the world that does that, yet, it's in the book. Somehow I doubt they are taking any suggestions. David Emerling Memphis, TN
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Tue Aug 31, 2004, 08:13pm
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The biggest challenge in working the CCA manual is that the umpires for which the book is written are expected to be:
1) In shape and, 2) Understand many of the subtlties of the game and always being ahead of the play. What are some major differences from the CCA mechanics as opposed to what the FED recommends? Thanks
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 01:04am
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Just makes it easier for the BU and PU is already there. So, it might not be standard, but it can work. Thanks David
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 08:50am
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Assuming no trouble ball you mean to tell me that you can't take BR all the way around for a play at third? If you read the play there should be no porblem for FU to be in the proper postion to make a call. If I'm the FU (again assuming no trouble ball) I want PU to stay home I can handle this play with no problem.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 09:23am
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But we give them the option because we want our PU's active, gives them something to do. (g) No really one of the reasons is that there might be a rundown situation and it helps BU if there is a play at 2B. (and this doesn't happen often), but it gets the PU moving to 3rd so its the same play as if there is a R1. Cannot stand when PU is standing around picking up bats. (g) Thanks David
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 01:26pm
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I agree. In this situation when I'm PU I get out from behind the plate observe the play kind of stay close to 3b line in case I'm needed. But I also make sure I'm close to the plate in the event of an overthrow etc.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 01:42pm
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it would be nice if OBR and FED interpretations were the same. For example, balk in FED--dead ball immediately, OBR we maintain live. Doing HS and legion games in summer, I have to be deligent to interpret based on these and other differences.
I understand why FED allows, for example, reentry for there starters. You will never see this in OBR. The point is that there will always be differences. One thing I would like to see changed in OBR, at least at the major league level, would be the collisions at the plate. Catchers do not deserve this. The other day in the Cards game when Molina was leveled, there was no need for this. Young kids see this and want to try and do it doing HS or legion, only to be dumped from the game.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 01:51pm
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You provided input on suggested rules changes. There's already a process in place for suggesting rules / interp changes -- contact your state association. Good luck.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004, 03:45pm
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you are right Bob. However, even rule interpretations will not change unless the NFHS sees the need. What good will speaking to my state association do? Missouri is not going to change a rule unless directed by the NFHS.
Again, thank you for the suggestion
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