Line-Up Card Problem

[Baseball_North]

Ya, I have no idea why they didn't bring it up earlier in the game. (the visiting manager)

It's probably because we smoked them in their park a few days earlier, and were beating them again in the back end of the home-and-home.

[WindyCityBlue]

I believe I said it all SEVERAL POSTS AGO. He is a pinch hitter. He has legally entered the game and is batting after the last correct hitter. THERE IS NO BATTING OUT OF ORDER!

I can't believe this was even an issue. If we read the posts before we launch ours, we might see that the question has been answered.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I believe I said it all SEVERAL POSTS AGO. He is a pinch hitter. He has legally entered the game and is batting after the last correct hitter. THERE IS NO BATTING OUT OF ORDER!

I can't believe this was even an issue. If we read the posts before we launch ours, we might see that the question has been answered.

But going off in a few different directions is what we all do here. I know you are new at this, but you will get the hang of it.



Peace

[jumpmaster]

Rut - grow up.

[JRutledge]

Jumpmaster,

We always go off on tangents on this board. We have been doing it for years, we will continue to do it. If you have less than 100 posts and are getting upset by what is common and accepted, than I am not the person that needs to grow up. I am just telling the truth and sharing what goes on here. Look at the other sport boards at this site, some are talking about other sports, politics, what folks did at a camp during after hours. This is what we do. We do not just discuss everything that comes to mind. I understand that umpiring is about egos, but that is what we do here. We discuss all kind of things, while answering questions. Read what you like, throw out what you do not. At least post 1000 times before you start telling the rest of us how this place should work.

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

We always go off on tangents on this board.

That seems to be the problem. When a question is asked and answered and you don't bother to read the follow ups, but just post an answer that has beeen discussed already, that is a waste of bandwidth.

If you have less than 100 posts and are getting upset by what is common and accepted, than I am not the person that needs to grow up....At least post 1000 times before you start telling the rest of us how this place should work.

By that logic, I should not be listening to anything you say about baseball since I have been umpiring twice as long as you. Come back and talk to us when you've worked at least twenty years of baseball.

I would rather have 100 posts that people could actually read and learn from than 3000 of your grammar and intelligence challenged tripe.

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Jumpmaster,

We always go off on tangents on this board. We have been doing it for years, we will continue to do it. If you have less than 100 posts and are getting upset by what is common and accepted, than I am not the person that needs to grow up. ...

... This is what we do. We do not just discuss everything that comes to mind...

... At least post 1000 times before you start telling the rest of us how this place should work.

Peace

Rut;

Jumpmaster has made over 100 posts. You have just added one to your count of hundreds of lies told.

You also wrote:

"We do not just discuss everything that comes to mind."

Now I understand. You, the great Rut, are able to discuss things that don't come to your mind???!!!??? That is a remarkable ability. Run your mouth and your keyboard without thinking. No wonder your ramblings are so unintelligible.

And your final statement is the most revealing of all. In Rutville, the man with the most posts is the most intelligent/knowledgable. With your 3500+ posts, I assume that you are trying to prove the old saw about monkeys and typewriters.

"Put enough monkeys in front of enough typewriters and sooner or later one of them will produce the complete works of Shakespeare."

In light of the above statement and your 3500+ posts, it's truly amazing that you have yet to write something intelligent. From that, a wag might conclude that you are dumber than a monkey.

Peter

[WindyCityBlue]

Am I the only one here that has seen Jeff post the quote

"Don't confuse activity with achievement."?

What exactly does that mean?

I think that most of us would believe it to mean: just because someone has the time to post a couple thousand times, doesn't make their input useful or literate.

I offered a definitive answer to a baseball question. There was no tangent, DG just repeated what we had already discussed.

This is almost as irritating as copying an entire post and pasting it into your response. We know what was said. If you are responding to a sentence or two, go ahead and copy/paste it. But we don't need ten people copying the original post. But, I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I don't have your history on this site.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue


That seems to be the problem. When a question is asked and answered and you don't bother to read the follow ups, but just post an answer that has beeen discussed already, that is a waste of bandwidth.

I did not realize that you were in charge of this site.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
By that logic, I should not be listening to anything you say about baseball since I have been umpiring twice as long as you. Come back and talk to us when you've worked at least twenty years of baseball.

WOW!!! You have worked 20 years of baseball? And this is your only sport? WOW, I am impressed, NOT!! I realize that you think this is some kind of wonderful accomplishment and it is to a point, but that does not mean a thing. When you started, there was no such thing as the internet (at least available to the larger public). So who cares what you were doing when you started or over your career. I have officiated almost 10 years in 3 sports. I have been on this board most of that time. And folks much wiser than you or I come here with much more experience than your 20 years and go off on tagents and take conversations to other topics. This is what we do.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I would rather have 100 posts that people could actually read and learn from than 3000 of your grammar and intelligence challenged tripe.

I know you are not trying come here and rip me about my grammar and what I post here. You have already had 2 officials call you out here that have a lot more years than just 20 call you out about your professionalism and competence as an umpire. And the more you talk, the more you make it obvious who you are. And the more and more it is clear that you are an individual that has little respect with our peers off this site. You can call me all kind of names here, but take that off this board and with people that have worked with me. Tell me how far you get with that?

Or is it......

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by His High Holiness

In light of the above statement and your 3500+ posts, it's truly amazing that you have yet to write something intelligent. From that, a wag might conclude that you are dumber than a monkey.

Peter

Whatever baldy. I will make sure when I get your age, to at the very least be able to invest in some hair. But I will not have that problem.

Peace

[DG]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Am I the only one here that has seen Jeff post the quote

"Don't confuse activity with achievement."?

What exactly does that mean?

I think that most of us would believe it to mean: just because someone has the time to post a couple thousand times, doesn't make their input useful or literate.

I offered a definitive answer to a baseball question. There was no tangent, DG just repeated what we had already discussed.

This is almost as irritating as copying an entire post and pasting it into your response. We know what was said. If you are responding to a sentence or two, go ahead and copy/paste it. But we don't need ten people copying the original post. But, I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I don't have your history on this site.

I commented on several points that I did not think had been adequately covered by previous posters. The point that names define the order, not numbers was well covered.

1) I am not checking numbers at pregame, and have no way to do so. I am counting players and making sure there are no names duplicated. If two player's numbers are transposed I have no way of knowing.

2) I expect this to come up before the 7th inning.

3) A pinch hitter is not BOO. This may have been covered previously, I don't recall.

4) You need to address BOO before the defense leaves the field.

And leave me out of this cat fight...

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Am I the only one here that has seen Jeff post the quote

"Don't confuse activity with achievement."?

What exactly does that mean?

I think that most of us would believe it to mean: just because someone has the time to post a couple thousand times, doesn't make their input useful or literate.

I am not passing off my posts as achievement. But I do think if you have been around more than a season, you might realize that we do talk about other things and go off on things that have been answered 100 times over. Again, you throw stones, then you do not like when someone throws them back at you.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I offered a definitive answer to a baseball question. There was no tangent, DG just repeated what we had already discussed.

So. Maybe he did not click on "Submit Reply" before you answered the question. Happens all the time here. And who really cares. Get over it. We are all human here. We are not all 20 year Minor League Umpires like yourself. We do tend to overlook things from time to time.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
This is almost as irritating as copying an entire post and pasting it into your response.

Take some Anger Management courses. You get upset at a lot of things that go on in the internet world. First you complain about my "Big Dog" post (which had nothing to do with you btw), then you are upset at something that has happen here from the very beginning.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
We know what was said. If you are responding to a sentence or two, go ahead and copy/paste it. But we don't need ten people copying the original post. But, I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I don't have your history on this site.

O...K. You need to find a hobby or a women. If these are the things you have to worry about, well you really are not getting away from the Minor League Baseball field. People are dying all over the world and people are sick and you are worried about who repeats some content in a post?

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

WOW!!! You have worked 20 years of baseball? ...When you started, there was no such thing as the internet (at least available to the larger public). So who cares what you were doing when you started or over your career.

So, because I started umpiring when the internet was in its infancy, I have no sense of baseball knoweldge. yeas, that computes.

I have officiated almost 10 years in 3 sports

According to Rut logic, you've beeen at it for 30 years?

You have already had 2 officials call you out here that have a lot more years than just 20 call you out about your professionalism and competence as an umpire.

Really, who? BTW, experience is more than years. I have not encountered too many Minor League guys here.


You can call me all kind of names here, but take that off this board and with people that have worked with me. Tell me how far you get with that? Several FVB members talked about you at the State series. Their comments filtered back through my FVB friend - WHO WAS THERE! They say that on the high school field you do a decent job. They are concerned with your off field shenanigans (right, Bob, FVB9 and DA?). They are embarassed that you have put the spotlight of the nation on Chicago umpiring. They may not like all of what I've said, but they find little fact that can be argued.

I'm fairly certain that most everyone here is tired of our pissing contest, but you just can't help yourself. I post contructive answers and advice and you immediately jump on it. You call Peter names in a vain attempt to humiliate him. Do you think that people are laughing at him because of a lack of follicles or you at your lack of wit? It is simply amazing that you keep at this. Do you ever offer anything of use here?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue


WOW!!! You have worked 20 years of baseball? ...When you started, there was no such thing as the internet (at least available to the larger public). So who cares what you were doing when you started or over your career.

So, because I started umpiring when the internet was in its infancy, I have no sense of baseball knoweldge. yeas, that computes.

I have officiated almost 10 years in 3 sports

According to Rut logic, you've beeen at it for 30 years?

No WCB. But I feel that working year round, working with people in different sports gives me a great deal of knowledge that someone just sticking to one sport will not get. I also think this is the very reason that most of the very good officials work multiple sports. Every different sport season I learn something new about officiating in general and I can apply to another sport. I am happy that you have worked 20 years, but you seemed to have done that in one part of the year. Unless you move to Florida or Louisiana in the Chicago winters, there is a lot of time of the year they are not playing baseball. Basketball I can officiate 12 months out of the year. When I am not doing baseball, I can work Football well into November, with or without snow on the ground.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Really, who? BTW, experience is more than years. I have not encountered too many Minor League guys here.

Jurrasic Referee and Carl both called you out. They both said not so glowing things about your posts and your attitude. Jurrassic can tell you himself how many years he has officiated in multiple sports, but it was much more than 20 years. We all know Carl's resume to some extent. I have not always gotten along with both of them. But I have always respected their point of view on many issues. But even when I disagree, it is not personal with them or more than what the discussion is about. We can disagree without calling each other names and accusing folks of being terrible. Especially when we have never met in person.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
You can call me all kind of names here, but take that off this board and with people that have worked with me. Tell me how far you get with that? Several FVB members talked about you at the State series. Their comments filtered back through my FVB friend - WHO WAS THERE! They say that on the high school field you do a decent job. They are concerned with your off field shenanigans (right, Bob, FVB9 and DA?).

You can come here and tell the world about the way you see things. I do not have moniker with a location in my name. I only have my name and only represent myself. I really do not care what others think, especially from a baseball perspective. My umpiring experience is not wrapped up into one are of a state. I have umpired many areas outside of Chicago. I did well there, I will continue to do well. But also think of it this way. I have not worked a baseball game since June 3, 2004, which happen to be my Regional. With all due respect, if I never work another baseball game a day in my life, it will not be a major tragedy in my life. I went to the State Finals on Friday (because it was right down the street from my house), helped with the IACAO Booth for the second game (where Bob was working) and left for a Basketball Tournament in Peoria. I understand that they might have concerns, but who really cares. Because I like to work baseball do I can hit the basketball camp season in reasonable shape and work on many game management skills that apply to basketball and football. So you can throw out all the names you like, but until they start assigning all the area basketball conferences and do not hire me as a result, then I might, just might worry.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
They are embarassed that you have put the spotlight of the nation on Chicago umpiring. They may not like all of what I've said, but they find little fact that can be argued.

Let them be. Because everything we have talked about when it comes to your organization or any organization, is the very same thing I have said to people in person. So if you ever get in a conversation with me about different groups or specific topics, chances are that I have had the same conversation with those you mentioned and with other "no name" individuals. And considering the situations we are faced with in our area, I am really not sure that is their major focus. But again, you heard 3rd and 4th party conversations.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I'm fairly certain that most everyone here is tired of our pissing contest, but you just can't help yourself.

I really do not care what they are tired of. I am tired of a lot of things that go on here, and I do not post them all the time.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
I post contructive answers and advice and you immediately jump on it.

You do not seem to like it very much, do you? If I remember, I have never met you (you claim we have, but it just goes to show how important in the Chicago seen you are to me). You claim to know about me as an umpire, but you have never seen me work. You wanted to see my schedule on the "other board" because you thought what I had to say was stupid and dumb. You said I would never get a playoff game, and I did. Even when I personally thought it would not happen and was not expecting it. You questioned my motives about posting a link to some pictures of a game I worked. You seemed to take all of this to heart, but now you want to cry foul when I do the exact same thing to you? I understand that baseball is important to you, and it should be. You have appartantly accomplished some great things. But to try to put down umpires that do not fit your point of view is insulting to all of us. Not everyone has a desire to work your level or is disappointed if they do not make it to pro ball. And you talk about how many years you have worked, but one of the varsity games I had this past year, the umpire I worked has worked about 30 years. The home coach got all over his behind for ejecting fans and having very thin skin on the field. But according to you, I should bow down to all that have worked more than 20 years. That very same coach said to me after I had worked 3 of his game, "you just cannot get a good partner." But I guess you are the person I should listen to.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
You call Peter names in a vain attempt to humiliate him. Do you think that people are laughing at him because of a lack of follicles or you at your lack of wit? It is simply amazing that you keep at this. Do you ever offer anything of use here?

Yes, when you are not posting or folks like Peter are not worried about what I say.

I have been on this board (Football, Basketball and Baseball) for years. I have had many folks approach me and tell me about posts and laugh at people like yourself. I have had many "discussions" with people over the years. Just like Peter and others that have been here for a long time. Many do not post on the McGriff board because of those "discussions" they had and I was never around. I have worked with several posters on all these sites and have had nothing but good experiences with all of them. I have never met people on the other boards like the folks on the Baseball side. Maybe that is because baseball umpires have a totally different approach to the game and tend to be much more confrontational than other sports. But for you to question my contributions, when folks like you jump all over guys that work LL, Pony, American Legion, Travel, Freshman or just a Regional for that matter (I did not realize we all started working the State Finals), you worry about what I have to contribute. I would never and never have jumped all over someone for that they work is below my current level and then call their baseball "not real." But guys like yourself do that here all the time. I have answered several questions more than just this season, and you have called all my imput as stupid. But you have about 50 posts to your name, but I do not know what I am doing or I have never posted anything of substance. Whatever man. I can see why people say the things about you in their personal contact dealings. And it is another reason why folks say the same about your organization.

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

Gentlemen (and Jeff),

I am finished arguing this point. He's a moron.

What began as a question about line up cards has devolved into a he said / Rut said. You can read, make up your mind.

It is true that I have only posted as WindyCityBlue for the last year. I was here and actually used my legal name for about two years (when this site had a different name). I'm not new to this form of exchange, but view it as an opportunity to instruct and learn. I carry a full NCAA and Minor league schedule, in addition to working about 20 or so high school varsity games each year. I offer my advice as a way for others to get better. Much like the law, I recognize that different interpretation of the rules will always exist. Most of what I try to convey comes from experience. I do not belittle those that work lower level baseball. My arguments with them stem from either their lack of experience, committment or knowledge. I do not ask that you follow my path, I do ask that if I offer an opinion it comes from a professional perspective. As umpires, we know that we may be right, but cannot convince the rest of those watching. I do not have to work mulitple sports to appreciate baseball umpiring. My grandfather used to ask me, "Would you rather be the best at one thing or just okay at a couple." I chose to become the best I could at baseball. I'm still learning, but have accomplished most of my dreams. If you read back, I've tried to help jumpmaster and a couple others get to theirs.