Need the help of those knowledgeable in FED & OBR rules

[TwoBits]

I have made some suggested changes and added some softball rule differences as well. The new version is down a few posting. Thanks to all who have replied.


[Edited by TwoBits on Apr 15th, 2004 at 04:17 PM]

[jicecone]

I GUARANTEE you, at least 60% of the people will not read or understand that these are myths.

Good Luck

[LDUB]

Originally posted by jicecone
I GUARANTEE you, at least 60% of the people will not read or understand that these are myths.

Good Luck

Mabye you should put the word false after each myth to make sure people understand that the statements are false.

[blueump]

You may want to add these as well:

A pitcher may not go to his mouth at any time

and

A pitcher must step within a 45 degree line on a pickoff


JMHO

[TwoBits]

Originally posted by jicecone
I GUARANTEE you, at least 60% of the people will not read or understand that these are myths.

Good Luck

I agree with you there, but at least it will open up some discussion and hopefully I will have less of Ol' Smitty screaming from the stands "The hand are part of the bat!"

I've have give this modified list to one of our high school baseball players to look over, and he questioned me on about half of them. Since my original posting, I have add a clarification regarding a foul tip:

· The ball is dead on a foul-tip. (A foul tip is defined as a batted ball that goes immediately to the catcher’s hand or glove and is legally caught. If the ball is not caught, then it is a dead ball.)

[TwoBits]

Originally posted by blueump
You may want to add these as well:

A pitcher may not go to his mouth at any time

and

A pitcher must step within a 45 degree line on a pickoff


JMHO

Don't tease me, Blueump!

[greymule]

The batter is out if his foot touches the plate.

Better add "and makes contact with the ball." However, many people are not aware of the contact element, so it qualifies as sort of a double myth. When I was 13, I was called out for stepping on the plate even though I did not make contact. Two years later, I was called out for the same thing in school, but I took the issue up with the PU, who conferred with the BU and reversed his call.

Also add to your myths: "The runner has the right-of-way in the baseline."

And: "People who watch a lot of baseball on TV naturally know a lot about the rules."

Another: "The batter is not permitted to wave the bat around over the plate."

(Actually, for all I know, that is a Fed rule.)

[TwoBits]

With the start of the season here in the midwest, I've decided that I would try to educate the public by discretely posting near the concession stands the eteamz.com article "Top 40 Baseball Rule Myths". This article has to be slightly modified to accomodate the rules differences in high school baseball and softball.

Please look over the following and note any ommisions or corrections. The one rule that I am not sure about is whether a batter-runner can over run first base on a base on balls without being in jeopardy of being put out. High school baseball specifically states that a runner can be tagged out for over running first base on a base on balls, but I could not find a corresponding softball ruling.

Thanks for you time and any input.

Top Baseball/Softball Rule Myths

PLEASE REMEMBER that these are MYTHS and therefore are all FALSE unless otherwise noted by high school or local league rules.

The Batter

· The hands are considered part of the bat. FALSE
· If the batter breaks his/her wrists when swinging, it's a strike. FALSE
· The batter cannot be called out for interference if he/she is in the batter's box. FALSE
· The batter may not switch batter's boxes after two strikes. FALSE
· The batter who batted out of order is the person declared out. FALSE
· The batter is out if he/she starts for the dugout before going to first after a dropped third strike. FALSE
· If the batter does not pull the bat back while in the bunting position, it's an automatic strike. FALSE
· The batter is out if a bunted ball bounces back up and hits the bat while the batter is holding the bat. FALSE
· The batter is out if his foot touches the plate. FALSE in all codes except high school. This is TRUE if a league is using high school rules. See high school rule 7-3-2. In all codes, the batter is never called out if contact is not made with the pitch.
· A pitch that bounces to the plate cannot be hit. FALSE
· The batter does not get first base if hit by a pitch after it bounces. FALSE

Running to First
· The batter-runner must turn to his/her right after over-running first base. FALSE
· The batter may not overrun first base when he/she gets a base-on-balls. FALSE in all codes except high school. This is TRUE if a league is using high school rules. See high school rule 8-4-2h exception.)
· The batter-runner is always out if he/she runs outside the running lane after a bunted ball. FALSE

Base running
· A runner is out if he/she slaps hands or high-fives other players, after a homerun is hit over the fence. FALSE
· Tie goes to the runner. FALSE (It doesn’t go to the fielder, either. Other than a tie score, ties do not exist in baseball.)
· The runner gets the base he's/she’s going to, plus one on a ball thrown out-of-play. FALSE
· Anytime a coach touches a runner, the runner is out. FALSE
· Runners may never run the bases in reverse order. FALSE
· The runner must always slide when the play is close. FALSE, however, some local leagues and age groups have mandatory slide rules. Check with your local league manager.
· The runner is always safe when hit by a batted ball while touching a base. False, but this is TRUE in softball. See high school softball rule 8-8-13.
· A runner is out if he/she runs out of the baseline to avoid a fielder who is fielding a batted ball. FALSE
· Runners may not advance when an infield fly is called. FALSE
· The runner has a right to the baseline even if a defensive player is fielding the ball. FALSE


Fair/Foul, Foul Tips, and Others
· If a batted ball hits the plate first, it's a foul ball. FALSE
· If a player's feet are in fair territory when the ball is touched, it is a fair ball. FALSE
· The ball is dead on a foul-tip. FALSE. A foul tip is defined as a batted ball that goes immediately to the catcher’s hand or glove and is legally caught. If the ball is not caught, then it is a dead ball.
· A runner may not steal on a foul-tip. FALSE
· If a fielder holds a fly ball for 2 seconds, it's a catch. FALSE
· If a fielder catches a fly ball and then falls over the fence, it is a homerun. FALSE
· The ball is dead anytime an umpire is hit by the ball. FALSE
· The home plate umpire can overrule the other umps at anytime. FALSE

Appeals
· It is a force out when a runner is called out for not tagging up on a fly ball. FALSE
· An appeal on a runner who missed a base cannot be a force out. FALSE
· No run can score when a runner is called out for the third out for not tagging up. FALSE
· You must tag the base with your foot on a force out or appeal. FALSE
· The ball must always be returned to the pitcher before an appeal can be made. FALSE

Pitching
· The ball is always immediately dead on a balk. FALSE, but this is TRUE if a league is using high school rules, but only in baseball. See high school baseball rule 5-1-1k. In softball, the term “balk” is replaced with the term “illegal pitch”. However, in softball an illegal pitch is a delayed dead ball and may be hit by the batter if the pitch is released. See high school softball rule 5-1-2a.)
· With no runners on base, it is a ball if the pitcher starts his/her windup and then stops. FALSE, but this is TRUE in both baseball and softball if the league is using high school rules. See high school baseball rule 6-1-2 Penalty & high school softball rule 6-1-2a Penalty.
· A pitcher may not go to his/her mouth at any time. FALSE, but if he/she does, he must show a clean wipe.)
· The pitcher must come to a set position before a pick-off throw. FALSE (Not used in softball.)
· The pitcher must step off the rubber before a pick-off throw. FALSE (Not used in softball.)

Sources: On the InternetÂ…http://www.eteamz.com/baseball/rules/obr/myths/
2004 National Federation of High Schools Baseball Rules Book
2004 National Federation of High Schools Softball Rules Book

[southump]

twobits, if a batter hits the pitch stepping on the plate, he is not out. He will only if his foot lands on top of it completely out of the batting box. the distance from plate to box is only 6 inches. Just in case

[3appleshigh]

the plate has nothing to do with the rule, if a batter hits the ball (or should be makes contact with the ball since fair and foul don't matter) with a foot entirly out side of the batters box he is out. Doesn't matter if he touches the playte or not, could be stepping into the bucket out side BB and be called out.

[GarthB]

Originally posted by 3appleshigh
the plate has nothing to do with the rule, if a batter hits the ball (or should be makes contact with the ball since fair and foul don't matter) with a foot entirly out side of the batters box he is out. Doesn't matter if he touches the playte or not, could be stepping into the bucket out side BB and be called out.

Careful. Remember that the original poster is including rules other than OBR.

[TwoBits]

Thank you, Garth. Different codes, different rules. I'm just trying to hit the codes played in this area!

[southump]

Appleshigh, yes you are right. Twobits, I forgot to add I enjoyed your post.

[tiger49]

Forgot two!

The scoreboard always has the right score and count!
and
Pitchers may blow into their hands on a cold day. They can only if both managers agree.

[TwoBits]

Originally posted by tiger49

The scoreboard always has the right score and count!
and
Pitchers may blow into their hands on a cold day. They can only if both managers agree. [/B]

Those are just too stupid to even put in print!