New Story/ Same Ump - Page 4

jxt127 · #46 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 12, 2003, 10:33am

Had one of those tags this summer; F6 taking a fast swipe at the runner going by before throwing to 2nd base. Missed the tag. The coach yells out at the shortstop "Did you tag him???" F6 yells back no coach I missed.

At the end of the inning the coach pulls F6 aside and still loud enough for most of the park to hear. "Did you tag him!!" F6 puts his hands about two feet apart and says just as loud "No coach I missed by this much".

rppeewee · #47 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 13, 2003, 10:04pm

Gentlemen, I am a coach,(I do umpire a few tournament games at end of the season) and I think many of you are missing Mattingly's point. Now unless I am reading the original post incorrectly, he went to the mound for a pitching visit, and then was told by his catcher that he couldn't answer where the pitch was? I could understand if he was asking the catcher right after the pitch(in public, so to speak), but during a pitching conference, in a game where I'm coaching, in this situation, I guess you guys are going to have to run me out too. And I used to wonder why so many coaches say umpires are arrogant ***holes.

GarthB · #48 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 14, 2003, 01:21am

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Originally posted by rppeewee
Gentlemen, I am a coach,(I do umpire a few tournament games at end of the season) and I think many of you are missing Mattingly's point. Now unless I am reading the original post incorrectly, he went to the mound for a pitching visit, and then was told by his catcher that he couldn't answer where the pitch was? I could understand if he was asking the catcher right after the pitch(in public, so to speak), but during a pitching conference, in a game where I'm coaching, in this situation, I guess you guys are going to have to run me out too. And I used to wonder why so many coaches say umpires are arrogant ***holes.

You read it wrong. He did ask the catcher, as you say, in public right after the pitch. THEN he called time and went to the mound where the catcher told him what the umpire had said.

By the way, Coach, thanks for jumping to a mistaken conclusion and calling us arrogant a$$holes. I think I've had one of your games.

[Edited by GarthB on Nov 14th, 2003 at 12:23 AM]

SC Ump · #49 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 14, 2003, 07:09am

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Originally posted by GarthB
By the way, Coach, thanks for jumping to a mistaken conclusion and calling us arrogant a$$holes. I think I've had one of your games.

GB: I know exactly what you mean. Some things seem to never change.

rppeewee: You don't have to be stupid if you don't want to be. The quote from the initial post is, "My catcher caught a borderline pitch. I asked the Catcher 'where did you catch that'. He didn't answer... so I called time to talk to my pitcher. My catcher came up to me and said..."

Everyone else: I'm betting rppeewee will read these responses but is not enough of a man or woman to say, "I apologize because I now realize that it is actually me that is the arrogant a$$hole. I am trying to learn to appreciate the umpires for all the stuff they have to put up with from ignorant coaches and spectators."

Should rppeewee actually make a post such as that, I will give $20 to the Salvation Army Christmas Kettle Drive in his or her honor. (And somehow provide proof here that I did.)

rppeewee · #50 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 14, 2003, 08:21pm

Yes, I realize that the coach's original asking of his catcher was in public, I agree that that was wrong, but the coach went to the mound and THEN was not allowed to ask is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen. While I don't agree with Mattinglyfan about asking right after the pitch, asking his catcher during a visit should be ok, but from the sounds of the posts in this thread, he shouldn't even be allowed to question it. When I go to the mound, I don't exactly scream out what is being discussed, so instead of burning a coach who made one bonehead move, why don't you guys jump on the idiot behind the plate too. by the way, send your money to the charity, SC. Oh, Garth, I don't think you would recognize me at a game, I've been coaching for 20 or so years with zero ejections.

GarthB · #51 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 14, 2003, 09:11pm

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Originally posted by rppeewee
Yes, I realize that the coach's original asking of his catcher was in public, I agree that that was wrong, but the coach went to the mound and THEN was not allowed to ask is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen.

Again, you've read it wrong. The coach wasn't told not to ask during the mound conference. It was at the mound conference that the catcher told him what the umpire had said earlier about not answering the coach. The umpire was not at the mound conference and the coach could have asked all he wanted.

Again, you are jumping to conclusions, coach. And I've met many coaches who jump to conclusions that I haven't ejected. I just smile and walk away.

SC Ump · #52 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 15, 2003, 12:22am

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Originally posted by rppeewee
...send your money to the charity, SC....

BZZZZ. Oh, so sorry rppeewee. That doesn't quite make an apology nor does it seem that you've realized the multiple ways you are wrong.

But, don't worry. It's off season for me, my brother is an officer with the Salvation Army and I'll be doing lots of volunteer work and donating the money anyway. (Shameless plug: if any of you are looking for something with immediate personal "feel good" rewards, check out helping with some kind of local charity during the holiday season.)

Yes, it was kind of a sucker bet in that the money was already going to the Kettle drive, but rppeewee, I was just going to make it in your name. Now you will have to make it yourself.

Dave Hensley · #53 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 15, 2003, 10:39am

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Originally posted by rppeewee
...I guess you guys are going to have to run me out too.

Que sera sera.

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And I used to wonder why so many coaches say umpires are arrogant ***holes.

Probably for the same reason we wonder why so many coaches are ignorant pr-cks.

rppeewee · #54 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 15, 2003, 03:51pm

To SC- Mattinglyfan's post doesn't really state the circumstances well, I took it to mean that when he went to the mound, THEN his catcher wasn't allowed to answer his question of where the pitch was. If what was meant was that the catcher couldn't answer right after a pitch, then I agree somewhat with the umpire to not say anything. Any good coach would know not to proceed that way anyway, because unfortunately, umpires (like coaches, believe it or not) are human and if you show them up, you or your team will pay for it. However, many of the posts here are butchering the coach, ignoring the lousy game management of the moron behind the plate. If what Mattinglyfan meant was that he couldn't ask during play, then I misunderstood the post and for that I will apologize.

Warren Willson · #55 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 15, 2003, 04:33pm

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Originally posted by rppeewee
Any good coach would know not to proceed that way anyway, because unfortunately, umpires (like coaches, believe it or not) are human and if you show them up, you or your team will pay for it. However, many of the posts here are butchering the coach, ignoring the lousy game management of the moron behind the plate. If what Mattinglyfan meant was that he couldn't ask during play, then I misunderstood the post and for that I will apologize.

Like the legless, armless and torso-less Frenchman who was sent to the guillotine, you should have quit while you were ahead.

It might surprise you, rppeewee, to know that most umpires do NOT retaliate against the team when coaches "show them up" and generally behave like idiots. However, even the most mild-mannered umpire will certainly react against any coach who makes personal accusations of "lousy game management" and accuses the umpire of being a "moron". That attitude is an instant ticket to the parking lot. Off you go now, and take that California Redwood-sized chip on your shoulder with you!

Cheers