Stump the ump

[SamIAm]

R1, R2, R3 - 1 Out - inning of your choice. Batter swings hard for strike 2. Batter's helmet comes off and falls in front of catcher. F2 mishandles the pitch and it falls in the dirt just out of F2's reach. BRs do not attempt to advance. F2 picks up the batters helmet, and uses it to drag the ball back within F2's reach. F2 then returns ball the F1.

Any violations?
(I didn't not witness the event - I made it up on my own.)

[rcaverly]

Nope.

[Mbilica]

Don't trouble trouble. This is a whole lot of nothing. No advantage was gained.

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[Matt]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

Don't trouble trouble. This is a whole lot of nothing. No advantage was gained.

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Not the right criteria.

OBR, I have this as either being a one-base award for touching a pitched ball with detached equipment, or nothing if we take the letter of the rule that states it has to be his own equipment.

FED, I have a two-base award.

[Mbilica]

My response was not the one I would use on a test. This is not only a sasquatch question, but the penalty is so far beyond the spirit of the rule, I wouldn't consider applying a penalty unless the runner from third would have had a chance to score.

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[Matt]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

My response was not the one I would use on a test. This is not only a sasquatch question, but the penalty is so far beyond the spirit of the rule, I wouldn't consider applying a penalty unless the runner from third would have had a chance to score.

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Doesn't matter. Detached equipment is not an advantage/disadvantage rule. The penalty must always be applied.

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by Matt

Doesn't matter. Detached equipment is not an advantage/disadvantage rule. The penalty must always be applied.

Im simply saying I would pass on this one. The levels where thus could possibly happen are games that are subvarsity or below. NO quality catcher would actually use a batting helmet to drag a ball towards him. It doesnt make sense.

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[Matt]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

Im simply saying I would pass on this one. The levels where thus could possibly happen are games that are subvarsity or below. NO quality catcher would actually use a batting helmet to drag a ball towards him. It doesnt make sense.

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If it's a subvarsity game, so more the reason to enforce it.

[thumpferee]

The rule states if it is a fair batted or thrown ball including a pitch. The rules also state when a pitch ends. Once the ball came to rest, which is the way I see it in the OP, the pitch ended.

Let's not forget we have a batter without a helmet on. Once there was no play being made, I'm killing it.

[Rich]

If I see F2 start his mask towards it....

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich

If I see F2 start his mask towards it....

I'm cringing. We're in bail-out-stupidity territory here.

I'm just thinking back to the one we had in that college game...had we done that, it would have been at least one ejection (and with that coach, him protesting that we killed the ball improperly.) And he would have been totally justified and correct.

[Rich]

I can stop play whenever action is relaxed.

After 30 years at all amateur levels, I don't feel the need to show everyone how smart I am.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich

I can stop play whenever action is relaxed.

After 30 years at all amateur levels, I don't feel the need to show everyone how smart I am.

That's not the point. I have a similar (if not better) resume. I would get hammered if I did this, because play isn't relaxed.

[Rich]

What about this is unrelaxed? The runners aren't moving and the ball is laying in front of the catcher.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich

What about this is unrelaxed? The runners aren't moving and the ball is laying in front of the catcher.

And what is the catcher doing?