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Old Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:17am
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Legal Pitch or Not?

I ran across this video on a Facebook umpiring group:

Capps' hop-step delivery | MLB.com

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Old Thu Feb 16, 2017, 06:46am
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This debate has been going on for a while. Jordan Walden is very similar. They let it go in MLB, and I hope I don't see it in my games, because I know that however I rule, its going to be received poorly.

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Old Thu Feb 16, 2017, 08:23am
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Even MLB has now ruled this illegal -- and it's illegal at all other levels as well.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:33am
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I see it as a step forward with the pivot foot. Balk.
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Old Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:39pm
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NCAA has made it an illegal pitch, or a balk with runners on, only if the pivot foot loses contact with the ground. If they drag their foot, it is legal. Rule 9.2L
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 08:23am
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NCAA has made it an illegal pitch, or a balk with runners on, only if the pivot foot loses contact with the ground. If they drag their foot, it is legal. Rule 9.2L

That would be the same practical interpretation at all levels (it does not take very much of a "slow motion" camera to see that the pivot foot is not in contact with the rubber at the time of release in almost all pitching motions). It's the hop, replant, and push that makes the move illegal.
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 03:45pm
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Even MLB has now ruled this illegal -- and it's illegal at all other levels as well.
Did they put anything in the rule book or issue an interpretation?

Also, if they made this illegal, why is he still practicing it?
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Old Wed Mar 01, 2017, 04:08pm
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Did they put anything in the rule book or issue an interpretation?

Also, if they made this illegal, why is he still practicing it?
I don't know if he is still doing it. The video is from 2015 as is the the Torre interp mentioned in this thread: http://http://umpire-empire.com/inde...comment-265855
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Old Thu Mar 02, 2017, 04:50pm
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I just ran across this article:

MLB Has Clarified Its Carter Capps Position | FanGraphs Baseball

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Old Mon Mar 06, 2017, 02:29am
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It's good to see the update, but his old delivery still seems to violate the rule of resetting the pivot foot. The article then seems to allow his old delivery. I'm not sure what the resolution is.
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Old Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:53pm
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Clear as mud. Thanks again, MLB.
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