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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 16, 2017 01:17am

Legal Pitch or Not?
 
I ran across this video on a Facebook umpiring group:

Capps' hop-step delivery | MLB.com

MTD. Sr.

Mbilica Thu Feb 16, 2017 06:46am

This debate has been going on for a while. Jordan Walden is very similar. They let it go in MLB, and I hope I don't see it in my games, because I know that however I rule, its going to be received poorly.

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bob jenkins Thu Feb 16, 2017 08:23am

Even MLB has now ruled this illegal -- and it's illegal at all other levels as well.

CoachPaul Mon Feb 20, 2017 09:33am

I see it as a step forward with the pivot foot. Balk.

swkansasref33 Tue Feb 28, 2017 04:39pm

NCAA has made it an illegal pitch, or a balk with runners on, only if the pivot foot loses contact with the ground. If they drag their foot, it is legal. Rule 9.2L

bob jenkins Wed Mar 01, 2017 08:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by swkansasref33 (Post 1001339)
NCAA has made it an illegal pitch, or a balk with runners on, only if the pivot foot loses contact with the ground. If they drag their foot, it is legal. Rule 9.2L


That would be the same practical interpretation at all levels (it does not take very much of a "slow motion" camera to see that the pivot foot is not in contact with the rubber at the time of release in almost all pitching motions). It's the hop, replant, and push that makes the move illegal.

bossman72 Wed Mar 01, 2017 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1000390)
Even MLB has now ruled this illegal -- and it's illegal at all other levels as well.

Did they put anything in the rule book or issue an interpretation?

Also, if they made this illegal, why is he still practicing it?

umpjim Wed Mar 01, 2017 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 1001401)
Did they put anything in the rule book or issue an interpretation?

Also, if they made this illegal, why is he still practicing it?

I don't know if he is still doing it. The video is from 2015 as is the the Torre interp mentioned in this thread: http://http://umpire-empire.com/inde...comment-265855

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Mar 02, 2017 04:50pm

I just ran across this article:

MLB Has Clarified Its Carter Capps Position | FanGraphs Baseball

MTD, Sr.

CoachPaul Mon Mar 06, 2017 02:29am

It's good to see the update, but his old delivery still seems to violate the rule of resetting the pivot foot. The article then seems to allow his old delivery. I'm not sure what the resolution is.

bossman72 Thu Mar 23, 2017 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1001540)

Clear as mud. Thanks again, MLB.


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