Part 2 test questions

[zm1283]

From our state Part 2 test:

It is an alternating-possession throw-in when A1’s throw-in lodges between the backboard and the ring.

I answered True. 6-4-3d says: "An AP throw-in shall result when: d) A live ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange, unless a free throw or throw-in follows". A thrown ball on a throw-in is a live ball, so a live thrown ball lodges between the backboard and ring and an AP throw-in results....right?

Then 9-2-8 outlines the penalty: "The thrown ball shall not become lodged between the backboard and ring or come to rest on the flange before it touches or is touched by another player". That would mean it is a violation by the throwing team, right? So which is it? I got it wrong on the test.

The other one, and I really have a problem with how it is worded....

To correct an error it must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.

This says "...it must be recognized by an official DURING the first dead ball after the clock has properly started". 2-10-2 is worded "In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official NO LATER THAN DURING the first dead ball after the clock has properly started".

I answered that False, because the rule plainly says that it must be recognized no later than during the first dead ball, not that it has to be recognized DURING that first dead ball. The question is implying that you can't recognized and correct it while the ball is live before the first dead ball.

What am I missing here? These were the only two I got wrong.

[Raymond]

Choose the rule that specifically and directly speaks to the scenario. Which is it? Well, doesn't the fact that you got the question wrong tell you which it is?

On the correctable error, we do not know until the ball is dead whether or not an official recognized an error. He's not going to talk about it during a live ball.

[ga314ref]

...drive me crazy, but I guess they're designed to get your full focus and attention.

"It is an alternating-possession throw-in when A1’s throw-in lodges between the backboard and the ring. 9-2-8 says "no".

The second question, in my opinion, is just plain unclear. Maybe if enough people appeal it, your governing body will act on it. Good luck.

[silverpie]

Agreed that the specific overrides the general on the throw-in play, although I'd suggest a parenthetical be added to 6-4-3d along the lines of (except a throw-in; see 9-2-8) after the words "live ball." (This also makes me wish the books were large enough to make a note in the margin, or else available in an e-book format that allowed it.)

On the correctable-error question, I never had a professor who would score that type as anything but False...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by silverpie

Agreed that the specific overrides the general on the throw-in play, although I'd suggest a parenthetical be added to 6-4-3d along the lines of (except a throw-in; see 9-2-8) after the words "live ball." (This also makes me wish the books were large enough to make a note in the margin, or else available in an e-book format that allowed it.)

On the correctable-error question, I never had a professor who would score that type as anything but False...

With the correctable error, until the ball is dead there is no way for the official to formally recognize the error. Don't think of "recognize" in terms of an internal thought by an official, think of it as an action taken by an official.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by silverpie

Agreed that the specific overrides the general on the throw-in play, although I'd suggest a parenthetical be added to 6-4-3d along the lines of (except a throw-in; see 9-2-8) after the words "live ball." (This also makes me wish the books were large enough to make a note in the margin, or else available in an e-book format that allowed it.)

On the correctable-error question, I never had a professor who would score that type as anything but False...

It already says "unless a FT or TI follows". IT's similar to POI -- if you know what would have happened, do that. Only if you don't know what would have happened do you go to the arrow.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It already says "unless a FT or TI follows". IT's similar to POI -- if you know what would have happened, do that. Only if you don't know what would have happened do you go to the arrow.

Not trying to just argue, but how do we know what would happen if the ball had not lodged between the backboard and ring?