a fall and a trip

[CoachNRef]

A1 driving toward basket. B1 guarding but falls and A1 trips over B1 and ball goes oob. whats ur call?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

A1 driving toward basket. B1 guarding but falls and A1 trips over B1 and ball goes oob. whats ur call?

There's no way to make a call based on that description. That's a play you would have to see to make. Could be a foul on B1 or it could be a perfectly legal by B1. It is not automatically either one.

[CoachNRef]

BBR thats just the way it happened. it was JH-8B and sometimes these kids just fall then others trip and it looks real ugly. everyone expects a foul call for a crash. it was difficult to call a block as he was guarding on the move... so i just called oob.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

BBR thats just the way it happened.

No, that's not "just the way it happened."

Did B1 have legal guarding position?
Did B1 fall down while backing up?
Did B1 move toward A1 as he fell?
Did B1 fall into A1's path as he tried to go by him?

If B1 had not fallen down and the same collision had occurred, would there have been a foul? Who would it have been on?

So no, you did not give us enough information to know whether a foul occurred or not.

[CoachNRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, that's not "just the way it happened."

Did B1 have legal guarding position?
Did B1 fall down while backing up?
Did B1 move toward A1 as he fell?
Did B1 fall into A1's path as he tried to go by him?

If B1 had not fallen down and the same collision had occurred, would there have been a foul? Who would it have been on?

So no, you did not give us enough information to know whether a foul occurred or not.

yes, yes, no, no

if B1 hadn't fallen down, you could not have the same collision. now if B1 stopped would A1 have run into him? maybe.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

yes, yes, no, no

if B1 hadn't fallen down, you could not have the same collision. now if B1 stopped would A1 have run into him? maybe.

B's position is legal (FED rules), so the rest of the play is what it is..

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

A1 driving toward basket. B1 guarding but falls and A1 trips over B1 and ball goes oob. whats ur call?

seems like this has come up several times so far this year (here and elsewhere).....

by NFHS rule, the defender has a right to that space on the floor. When the contact is such that it causes the ball handler to fall and lose the ball, then I've got a foul on the defender.

[CoachNRef]

this happens so often and imho i err on no-call and take the heat from fans, coaches and sometimes evaluator. if there's no contact by defender on way down, though it looks like it from 10 feet, it not a foul. but must admit im tempted to "blow with the wind" and please, otherwise i'll hear about it. there's very little respect for judgement but i did have a coach compliment me for standing my ground and tell me he always tells his players "if we lose we lost because we missed a FT, a turnover...some where we made mistakes."

great discussion...gives me more confidence for next call.