Assistant Coach to the Table

[RookieDude]

"10.5.1 Situation C Case Book 2009/10

The coach of Team A leaves the bench area and goes to the table to seek information other than a correctable error:

(a) during a time-out;

(b) during the intermission between the first and second quarters.

RULING:

A technical foul is charged directly to the coach in both (a) and (b). If this information is required, it must be secured by a manager or statistician, etc. when the clock is stopped and the ball is dead. A coach is not permitted at the table for this purpose. To allow exceptions would open the door for exploitation and would result in situations which could not be enforced consistently."

I have an ongoing discussion with a fellow official...

Is there anytime a crew would allow an assistant coach to go to the table...for any reason?

What if a coach says that his "assistant coach" is in fact a "statistician"?

[Adam]

Interesting question. There's no distinction in the book for "assistant coach," and often times the AC's job during the game is to keep track of things (such as a statistician.)

[slow whistle]

He'd better be holding a pad/book with some statistics on it!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

He'd better be holding a pad/book with some statistics on it!

Based on what? What if he left it at his seat? What if he keeps track in his head? What if he's the "manager?" What if the AC's secondary job is to wash the uniforms during the week. Doesn't that make him the manager?

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Based on what? What if he left it at his seat? What if he keeps track in his head? What if he's the "manager?" What if the AC's secondary job is to wash the uniforms during the week. Doesn't that make him the manager?

I was being facetious, I don't expect to find a pencil in his ear! I don't know you tell me. As long as he is not the head coach and is at the table for a legitimate reason (and not on a regular basis) I can't see a situation where I would make a big deal about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I was being facetious, I don't expect to find a pencil in his ear! I don't know you tell me. As long as he is not the head coach and is at the table for a legitimate reason (and not on a regular basis) I can't see a situation where I would make a big deal about it.

Sorry, I misread (happening a lot today.) I'm with you.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

As long as he is not the head coach and is at the table for a legitimate reason (and not on a regular basis) I can't see a situation where I would make a big deal about it.

Agreed. There is no real definition of an assistant coach or stat-keeper, manager, etc. They are all just bench personnel.

If it becomes a constant thing, it's worth checking with the table and/or the coach about, but otherwise, no reason to go looking for something.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I was being facetious, I don't expect to find a pencil in his ear!

You mean like this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

If this information is required, it must be secured by a manager or statistician, etc. when the clock is stopped and the ball is dead. A coach is not permitted at the table for this purpose. To allow exceptions would open the door for exploitation and would result in situations which could not be enforced consistently."


1) Is there anytime a crew would allow an assistant coach to go to the table...for any reason?

2) What if a coach says that his "assistant coach" is in fact a "statistician"?

1) By rule(above), no.

2) Ask the head coach pre-game who his assistant coaches are and you'll never have to worry about it.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

"What if a coach says that his "assistant coach" is in fact a "statistician"?

One of my good friends has called assistant coaches "glorified statisticians" for years. I always liked that term.......

[amusedofficial]

Foul called, possession B. Coach A pops up checks with table, about to let it go. Then she pipes up, ostensibly to teah, "My god, 6 fouls on us, 2 on them". Whack.