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Originally Posted by just another ref
And perhaps he would direct your attention to 4.15.4:
A1.........allows the ball to come to rest in one hand. A1 pushes the ball to the floor in an attempt to continue the dribble.
RULING: When A1 palmed/carried the ball, the dribble ended and when he pushed the ball to the floor a violation occurred.
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You seem determined to miss the point.
If A1 dribbles, the dribble starts when he releases the ball. This point is not in question.
If A1 violates by starting a dribble, then the violation occurs when he starts the dribble. This point is not in question.
But you can't know that he's dribbling until he COMPLETES a dribble, i.e., by touching the ball again after it has touched the floor.
You might want to INFER that he's dribbling when he releases the ball. "What else could he be doing?" But we're paid to observe and enforce, not to infer. It's not a violation until it's a violation -- NOT once you have no doubt that it's going to be a violation.
As I said many posts ago, the violation occurs before we're able to judge that it's a violation.
I'm not sure what's at stake for you in this discussion beyond your pride.