Trouble Bruin in the Pac-12 - & it Ain't UCLA!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

did you just post this nonsense to see the reaction?

Originally Posted by zebraman

You are kidding right?

If you don't think the comments are serious, let them lie. If someone's intent was just to get a reaction, and they don't get one, they will go away. If that was not their intent, and they see no one responding to them, perhaps they will be less nonsensical in the future.

One can hope, at least.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Fellas - the facts are simple:

- Ed Rush, in a meeting on Thr. of the conference tournament, told game officials he would pay $5,000 or give them a trip to Cancun to anyone who "rang him up" or "ran him".
- Ed Rush said the same thing in a meeting the next day, Friday.
- On Friday, one official (who was present in BOTH meetings) assessed a T to the very same coach (AFTER an incorrect call went against Arizona).
- Per a PAC-12 official, the game official who assessed the T doesn't normally give people a T (in fact he worked only 11 games this yr w/ a T; which ranks him tied for 144th nationally).
- The ONLY T that Miller got during the year was in this game.

When you think about it, here's where it gets even more suspicious.

During conference tournaments, aren't players and coaches even more emotional than during the regular season? The officials that are selected to work these games not only get plays right, but more importantly, have the ability to manage players/coaches during incredibly tense situations.

During the BCS conference tournaments this year (PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10, SEC, ACC, & Big East), do you know how many times a coach was assessed a T?.....

TWICE: Arizona's Miller and UCLA's Howland (vs Oregon in the Champ. Game).

During the 68 total tournament games played, some of the most volatile and boisterous coaches in America weren't penalized...yet a guy who had not received 1 T all season gets one AFTER the Supervisor specifically targets him in a meeting - not once but TWICE?

You're right....it WAS a joke after all.

These are exactly my thoughts. Rush should be fired by the conference. We already aren't trusted by the public in general, and this just makes it worse. And like JRut, you can talk all day about how you "Don't care what the public thinks", but in this situation, it does matter.

[Adam]

I don't think he should be fired, but I'll be surprised if he isn't. I also think the idiot who leaked the joke should be let go by the conference. This isn't whistle blowing, it's spite.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't think he should be fired, but I'll be surprised if he isn't. I also think the idiot who leaked the joke should be let go by the conference. This isn't whistle blowing, it's spite.

Slippery slope. One guy quit before the tournament who worked the last 9 consecutive championship games. Two former Final Four officials opted to work smaller conference tournament games rather than the Pac-12. You cannot have that much internal strife with that many accomplished veterans without very serious problems with the entire organization. Larry Scott thought the organization was sick/weak, and brought in Rush to fix it. Rush made it worse, whether these comments came out or not. Bad hire that needs to be rectified regardless.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

These are exactly my thoughts. Rush should be fired by the conference. We already aren't trusted by the public in general, and this just makes it worse. And like JRut, you can talk all day about how you "Don't care what the public thinks", but in this situation, it does matter.

If it matters why does he still have a job? It must not matter that much. And this is not the Rutgers sitaution at all. There was no public funds going to this indiviual in the same way.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Brad, you cut me so deep.

You made your bed, you lie in it!

I was seriously surprised that ANYONE had more than JRut!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

You made your bed, you lie in it!

I was seriously surprised that ANYONE had more than JRut!!

Not sure why, I just passed JR in number recently. And Snaq, I mean Adam passed me some time ago. You obviously have not been coming to this site very often.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

One guy quit before the tournament who worked the last 9 consecutive championship games. Two former Final Four officials opted to work smaller conference tournament games rather than the Pac-12. You cannot have that much internal strife with that many accomplished veterans without very serious problems with the entire organization.

You must not have been around college basketball officiating very much. There is ALWAYS that much strife with a change in coordinators. New coordinator means changes, different game assignments, some get less, some get more ... and some get disgruntled.

Same thing has happened over and over in different leagues as new coordinators have taken over in the last 5 years. Completely standard.

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Larry Scott thought the organization was sick/weak, and brought in Rush to fix it. Rush made it worse, whether these comments came out or not. Bad hire that needs to be rectified regardless.

I don't know that your assessment of why Rush was brought in is all to on target either. Seems like you are just conjecturing ... unless you have some kind of insider info.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

You must not have been around college basketball officiating very much. There is ALWAYS that much strife with a change in coordinators. New coordinator means changes, different game assignments, some get less, some get more ... and some get disgruntled.

Same thing has happened over and over in different leagues as new coordinators have taken over in the last 5 years. Completely standard.



I don't know that your assessment of why Rush was brought in is all to on target either. Seems like you are just conjecturing ... unless you have some kind of insider info.

Just look at what happened in the BIG a few years ago. The entire staff looks very different than it did when the previous guy was in that position. And all I heard for 2 years is officials complaining about the staff and who got left off the staff by fellow officials.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure why, I just passed JR in number recently. And Snaq, I mean Adam passed me some time ago. You obviously have not been coming to this site very often.

You're not sure why, but your instincts are pretty spot on!

Been busy working ... and for the past two years that hasn't included officiating, so I only show up to stir things up and start the occasional duplicate thread!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

You're not sure why, but your instincts are pretty spot on!

Been busy working ... and for the past two years that hasn't included officiating, so I only show up to stir things up and start the occasional duplicate thread!

I know why I passed JR, but not sure why you thought I was at the top. It took me some time to pass other guys that are still with us.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Just look at what happened in the BIG a few years ago. The entire staff looks very different than it did when the previous guy was in that position. And all I heard for 2 years is officials complaining about the staff and who got left off the staff by fellow officials.

Assume you are talking about the Big 12? Hard to decipher when using "the BIG" and "previous guy"

It is ALWAYS that way when a new coordinator takes over ... When Kelley took over the Metro there was a guy that worked the tournament championship the year before that received ZERO games the next year!!

When a new coordinator comes in everything changes — with the exception of bitching and moaning ... that never changes.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge
Not sure why, I just passed JR in number recently. And Snaq, I mean Adam passed me some time ago. You obviously have not been coming to this site very often

Mystery solved. Thanks. I was wondering what happened to the ever present snaqwells.

Glad to know he's still involved.

What exactly does "snaqwells" reference anyway? It always invoked a box of snack crackers to mind whenever I saw it.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know why I passed JR, but not sure why you thought I was at the top. It took me some time to pass other guys that are still with us.

Didn't think it would take you that long —*don't you have a cushy government job?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

Assume you are talking about the Big 12? Hard to decipher when using "the BIG" and "previous guy"

It is ALWAYS that way when a new coordinator takes over ... When Kelley took over the Metro there was a guy that worked the tournament championship the year before that received ZERO games the next year!!

When a new coordinator comes in everything changes — with the exception of bitching and moaning ... that never changes.

The usage of BIG is often a internet usage to describe the Big 10 because of their logo. Sorry I forget I am dealing in mixed company.

But the situation with the Big 12 also caused some controversy but that supervisor assigned 4 leagues. So there was some people rumbling when he took over. A lot more people were affected by that change than anywhere else I can think of.

Peace