Passed on a multiple foul

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Once again, Roman Law.

If my partner and I have whistles, we briefly talk about it. A great majority of the time, we have the same thing. ("20 white?" "Yup.") If we differ, we discuss.

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I'm only talking if one of us has a closed fist and the other an open hand (or held ball signal in combination with fist/hand).

Other than that the converstations are "I got it" or "you take it".

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm only talking if one of us has a closed fist and the other an open hand (or held ball signal in combination with fist/hand).

Other than that the converstations are "I got it" or "you take it".

And if both say the same thing?

[HawkeyeCubP]

And we've got memes!!!

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm only talking if one of us has a closed fist and the other an open hand (or held ball signal in combination with fist/hand).

Other than that the converstations are "I got it" or "you take it".

Gotcha. I still like to check which happened first, the travel or the foul, etc. It's such a rarity (open hand/closed fist), that I don't mind taking a few extra seconds.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I feel like I'm at a bar listening to a drunk recite the same story over and over again.

I'm the one in a room full of drunks. Why do this? Because of the case play.
That's not what the case play says, and even if it is, it's stupid. You have to do it anyway. What about this case play? That case play doesn't matter. Why not? cause

[APG]

One man crusade...

[Adam]

Not even Sancho Panza at his side....

[just another ref]

Forget the specifics. Generic question.


Why is it that one case play carries infinitely more weight than another?

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by tref

How about incorporating total player fouls into this mix?

I don't think you should even know how many total fouls either player has. Shouldn't matter on any call you make.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not everyone, or at least not always.

That was 5 years ago. And I was wrong then and will admit now that I was wrong then. Unless I'm working a NCAAW game, I'm going with the double foul.

I actually had a blarge 2-3 seasons ago in a Juco game. I was the lead, other official was the trail (3-person). Believe it or not, it was with the same partner who starred in the video, and he got that call wrong, too. We went double foul. I hate it, but it's the rule and regardless of how painful it can be, I follow the rules.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Forget the specifics. Generic question.


Why is it that one case play carries infinitely more weight than another?

It doesn't.

Play 1) L signals Block, T signals Charge. Ruling: Double Foul

Play 2) L blows whistle, thinks "block". T ... "charge". Ruling: Officials decide.

Play 3) L signals foul on B1, T signals foul on B2. Ruling: Multiple foul (THIS IS THE CASE PLAY AND HASN"T OTHERWISE BEEN DISCUSSED).

Play 4) L blows whistle, thinks "foul on B1." T ... "B2." Ruling: Officials decide which single foul (THIS IS THE CASE THAT GETS DISCUSSED EVERYTIME (ALMOST) ABOUT MULTIPLE FOULS)

Play 5) L blows whistle, sees contact by B1 and B2. Ruling: Official decides which single foul. (THIS IS THE OTHER CASE THAT GETS DISCUSSED ON MULTIPLE FOULS)

[tref]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I don't think you should even know how many total fouls either player has. Shouldn't matter on any call you make.

If thats how you like to go about managing your ballgames, fine.
But I want to know the consquences of my whistle, at all times. I want to know prior to blowing my whistle that the star kid is done for the evening. I can take it to the table a bit stronger, I dont have to hear the horn bring me back to the table just to say, "thats 5."

Make a BS call out of your primary for a quality players 5th foul without being cognizant of that fact! When the player gets upset & shows some emotion, go ahead & stick the DQ'd player making the coach lose his box on top of it all.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

If thats how you like to go about managing your ballgames, fine.
But I want to know the consquences of my whistle, at all times. I want to know prior to blowing my whistle that the star kid is done for the evening. I can take it to the table a bit stronger, I dont have to hear the horn bring me back to the table just to say, "thats 5."

Make a BS call out of your primary for a quality players 5th foul without being cognizant of that fact! When the player gets upset & shows some emotion, go ahead & stick the DQ'd player making the coach lose his box on top of it all.

That player isn't DQ'd until you tell the coach, so this scenario is unlikely (I've never seen a player wait even long enough for me to report the foul before getting chippy).

That said, I'm not tracking all their fouls, but I'll know when #11 gets three fouls in the first half; or if #44 is on #4.

Had this last night, and #44 ended up fouling out with a foul that was in the top 5 easiest intentional fouls I've called.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not everyone, or at least not always.

Not one of them is saying the case says what you claim. They are only saying they disagree with the ruling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm the one in a room full of drunks. Why do this? Because of the case play.
That's not what the case play says, and even if it is, it's stupid. You have to do it anyway. What about this case play? That case play doesn't matter. Why not? cause

Why not? This one is not about two officials having visibly/verbally announced opposing opinions of the same contact. The "multiple" is about two different contacts altogether. For one to yield doesn't mean he is admitting he is wrong and the other is right (one official effectively overruling another), just that the other foul may be more "obvious"....the better of the two fouls.