Jay Bilas, a Lawyer?, He can not even read.

[LeeBallanfant]

During half time of Duke NC game, they showed replay of the controversial TO granted to Syracuse in their game against UConn tonight.

So Bilas, the so called expert, is reciting the rule as it also scrolls by on TV. Where rule says for a timeout to be granted, a player must be in control, Bilas substitutes team control, which of course may not necessarily be true.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

During half time of Duke NC game, they showed replay of the controversial TO granted to Syracuse in their game against UConn tonight.

So Bilas, the so called expert, is reciting the rule as it also scrolls by on TV. Where rule says for a timeout to be granted, a player must be in control, Bilas substitutes team control, which of course may not necessarily be true.

Lee:

If there is team control but not player control at player or coach's request for a timeout can not be granted. But a player or coach's request for a timeout can be granted if the ball is dead.

MTD, Sr.

[Judtech]

But did he agree with the call? I saw that call (and the Ted V. no call at the half of NCS and VT). Would like to know if 'Cuse was granted a time out b/c of a verbal request.

[bas2456]

He didn't agree with the call because, as he says, the timeout was granted after the Syracuse player released his shot.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by bas2456

He didn't agree with the call because, as he says, the timeout was granted after the Syracuse player released his shot.

To me it appeared the TO was granted while there was player control , the whistle was blown when there was not player control. In other words, the referee, I think it was Cahill, heard the request, but by the time he could blow the whistle, there was a loss of player control.

A good call by Cahill since last time he worked these teams, it went 6 OT's. Got it done in regulation this time.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

To me it appeared the TO was granted while there was player control , the whistle was blown when there was not player control. In other words, the referee, I think it was Cahill, heard the request, but by the time he could blow the whistle, there was a loss of player control.

A good call by Cahill since last time he worked these teams, it went 6 OT's. Got it done in regulation this time.

I totally agree. I thought it was a good call as well.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I totally agree. I thought it was a good call as well.

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

It's like you're reading my mind.

[JRutledge]

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

Peace

Right...It doesn't matter when the whistle was blown. I've always been told it doesn't matter when the whistle blows, as long as the TO was requested at the right time.

[just another ref]

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

To me it appeared the TO was granted while there was player control , the whistle was blown when there was not player control. In other words, the referee, I think it was Cahill, heard the request, but by the time he could blow the whistle, there was a loss of player control.

A good call by Cahill since last time he worked these teams, it went 6 OT's. Got it done in regulation this time.

In the replay, it appears to me that the ball is already in the UConn player's hands when Cahill turns his head in Boeheim's direction. Impossible to say when he actually heard/recognized the request in relation to his visible reaction.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

Where would the fun be in that?

[mutantducky]

I was watching the game live and I thought it was way too late. However, and this has happened to me, perhaps the coach verbally called a TO and the ref simply did not recognize it right away(brain freeze) and blew the whistle but the ball was with UCONN.
The Cuse coach better say he verbally requested a TO to help out the ref. Otherwise I would have been much more impressed with the ref admitting an inadvertent whistle.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

I don't know why you would say that. But, of course, it is true. I thought that Cahill kicked this one.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

The rules fundamental does say that, but you must know when that fundamental properly applies.

Originally Posted by bas2456

Right...It doesn't matter when the whistle was blown. I've always been told it doesn't matter when the whistle blows, as long as the TO was requested at the right time.

Does a time-out request make the ball dead? Do the rules say that as they do for a violation or a foul?
I don't believe so. In the case of a time-out it absolutely does matter when the whistle is blown.

Originally Posted by just another ref

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I was watching the game live and I thought it was way too late. However, and this has happened to me, perhaps the coach verbally called a TO and the ref simply did not recognize it right away(brain freeze) and blew the whistle but the ball was with UCONN.

That's what I see on the video replay on ESPN360.