"Hidden" Rotations

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by kayla vb

Obviously, it can be an advantage that your opponent doesn't know whether the setter or the opposite is in the front row. However, if I'm coaching at a club tournament and we line ourselves up like that, then score a first ball kill on a setter dump am I going to have issues with R1's calling BR Attacks on my setter and losing kills to inadvertent whistles and replays? Or how can I remedy this situation?

Thanks for your help

If your R1 is paying attention, the only chance of this being an issue is if you're in serve receive in rotation 6 to begin the set. Every other rally the R1 should know exactly where the setter is even without the lineup.

Do you run the risk of mistaken illegal attack calls? Probably. How can you avoid it? Maybe have those players stacked under the R1 discretely tell the R1 that the setter is front row, and not to be faked out. Either than or hope your R1 is aware enough to know where your setter is.

[kayla vb]

Originally Posted by FMadera

If your R1 is paying attention, the only chance of this being an issue is if you're in serve receive in rotation 6 to begin the set. Every other rally the R1 should know exactly where the setter is even without the lineup.

Do you run the risk of mistaken illegal attack calls? Probably. How can you avoid it? Maybe have those players stacked under the R1 discretely tell the R1 that the setter is front row, and not to be faked out. Either than or hope your R1 is aware enough to know where your setter is.

The trouble is that it doesn't matter how "aware" the R1 is, he doesn't know if the setter is front or back row. I'm talking about USAV juniors club tournaments here.

The R2 will be a teenager, so the odds of having a "sharp" R2 are also extremely low.

We'll see if the scenario plays out this season and I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[Antonio.King]

Unfortunately you may then just have to correct the situation as it occurs. You'll undoubtedly encounter different calibers of officials; some more "aware" than others.

The best you can do is correct it should it occur, and provide feedback to the tournament staff about your experiences with said official(s).

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by kayla vb

The trouble is that it doesn't matter how "aware" the R1 is, he doesn't know if the setter is front or back row. I'm talking about USAV juniors club tournaments here.

The R2 will be a teenager, so the odds of having a "sharp" R2 are also extremely low.

We'll see if the scenario plays out this season and I'll let you guys know how it goes.

It just depends. Once your team serves, I know whether your setter is front or back row. If it's the opening set, I'm looking at the lineup to determine where your setter is, even when I'm R1. If it's the second set, if the rally progresses and your opposite is not up and blocking, I can pretty much figure out that your setter is likely front row. If there's a mistake, then we fix it.

If you don't want to be whistled for it, I'd suggest finding some way of letting the R1 know what the deal is if you aren't confident in their ability to figure it out. It just seems like a lot of subterfuge in order to get the first point of the set. *shoulder shrug*