"Lift" - Rule Language

[MCBear]

Omni, I gotta agree, but that is what makes it so totally cool! It is an awesome sight when, out of the blue, a ball that looks like it is going to be out of play gets saved because a player can get a foot under it to send it back to the court and over the net. It may be desperation, as you say, but it is also athletic because the player was able to pull it off.

I have had it happen a couple of times in the last 3 or 4 years, and I have had to kill the ball during High School matches and allow the play to continue in USAV Juniors matches.

As always, YMMV.

[Retrozetti]

Originally Posted by MCBear

Omni, I gotta agree, but that is what makes it so totally cool! It is an awesome sight when, out of the blue, a ball that looks like it is going to be out of play gets saved because a player can get a foot under it to send it back to the court and over the net.

Best move I saw was when a team jumped up to block, the ball deflected off the blockers arms and fell downward towards their court. The nearest blocker, while the ball is dropping right in front of him, he "hackey-sacked" the ball with the side of his foot, and it went straight up and parallel to the net, to their outside hitter (a beautifully perfect set, under any standards) and that hitter clobbered the ball down to the opponent's court. Luckily, it was a USAV match... under NFHS rules, I would have cried having to call the fault on them. I'd be required to call it, but thank god it was a USAV match.

Having that said, I also understand wherein NFHS is structured to teach the fundamentals. When they get to USAV at college, then they can show off... but master the basics first.

[OmniSpiker]

LOL's

I remember someone tried to argue about their hacky sack technique was not a lift. Prolong contact - we don't care how or where. A toe-lift is still a lift.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Retrozetti

Best move I saw was when a team jumped up to block, the ball deflected off the blockers arms and fell downward towards their court. The nearest blocker, while the ball is dropping right in front of him, he "hackey-sacked" the ball with the side of his foot, and it went straight up and parallel to the net, to their outside hitter (a beautifully perfect set, under any standards) and that hitter clobbered the ball down to the opponent's court. Luckily, it was a USAV match... under NFHS rules, I would have cried having to call the fault on them. I'd be required to call it, but thank god it was a USAV match.

Having that said, I also understand wherein NFHS is structured to teach the fundamentals. When they get to USAV at college, then they can show off... but master the basics first.

Hmmm, so kids don't play USAV rules until they hit college?

[Retrozetti]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Hmmm, so kids don't play USAV rules until they hit college?

Girls in Illinois use NFHS in High School and NCAA in college... however, I wasn't talking about girls. I was talking about guys, and guys in Illinois use NFHS for High School, then USAV for college... so, yes they don't play USAV rules until they hit college (unless they play USAV Club ball during High School) and I did mention that "he" was playing the ball.

Originally Posted by OmniSpiker

I remember someone tried to argue about their hacky sack technique was not a lift. Prolong contact - we don't care how or where. A toe-lift is still a lift.

However, they were possibly correct depending on the length of time the ball was in contact with the player. Hackey-sack isn't only about catching the sack on their foot, it's also about technique and style of contact that has "brief contact" with the player. And for a player to have the ball dropping alongside them, and they "hackey-sack" it up (with the side of their foot), parallel to the net, and to their outside hitter, that would need to be accomplished by either a "hugely caught-and-thrown" ball, or a definite "kick." So, given my situation, there was no prolonged contact, and therefore legal within USAV.

Originally Posted by retrozetti

Best move I saw was when a team jumped up to block, the ball deflected off the blockers arms and fell downward towards their court. The nearest blocker, while the ball is dropping right in front of him, he "hackey-sacked" the ball with the side of his foot, and it went straight up and parallel to the net, to their outside hitter (a beautifully perfect set, under any standards) and that hitter clobbered the ball down to the opponent's court.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Retrozetti

Girls in Illinois use NFHS in High School and NCAA in college... however, I wasn't talking about girls. I was talking about guys, and guys in Illinois use NFHS for High School, then USAV for college... so, yes they don't play USAV rules until they hit college (unless they play USAV Club ball during High School) and I did mention that "he" was playing the ball.

Around here club volleyball starts as early as age 10, and is played using USAV rules. By the time the kids get high school, most of them have several years experience with USAV.