Hbp

[outathm]

Whether the statement are Correct or Incorrect, the ASA Rule states that the batter must make an attempt to avoid the pitch. When the ball is in the box, and hits the girl square on the hip, and she did not try to get out of the way, but instead watched it hit her, which she has done for the past 3 months of playing, it causes head aches.

[RKBUmp]

Should only be a problem long enough to tell the coach they should be aware of the rule set they are playing under.

[EsqUmp]

The problem is the wording of the ASA rule. If a batter freezes because a ball is coming at her at 65 mph, ASA's rule says she doesn't get first. The interpretation would have to be that she does though because not all batters can in fact get out of the way. If you couldn't get out of the way as an umpire, how the hell is a batter to get out of the way? As written, the ASA doesn't permit common sense to be applied.

You'll certainly get into more trouble leaving hit batters in the batter's box then giving them first base.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You'll certainly get into more trouble leaving hit batters in the batter's box then giving them first base.

Not relevant to the rule.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

If you couldn't get out of the way as an umpire, how the hell is a batter to get out of the way?

The batter is allowed to move while the pitch is in flight.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The batter is allowed to move while the pitch is in flight.

Way to miss the point, buddy.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Way to miss the point, buddy.

Sorry, tangents only allowed in geometry, I guess.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

The problem is the wording of the ASA rule. If a batter freezes because a ball is coming at her at 65 mph, ASA's rule says she doesn't get first. The interpretation would have to be that she does though because not all batters can in fact get out of the way. If you couldn't get out of the way as an umpire, how the hell is a batter to get out of the way? As written, the ASA doesn't permit common sense to be applied.

You'll certainly get into more trouble leaving hit batters in the batter's box then giving them first base.

Common sense certainly is not being applied based on the rule in NCAA, NFHS and any other rule set that followed. Way to many HBP that are either strikes or not in the batters box that the batters are just standing there taking, leaning into or hanging their armored elbows into. And, if you think the ASA rule is poorly written these other associations rules are equally as poorly written. All you ever hear from coaches and even umpires in general is that no attempt to avoid is required and that simply is not true. An attempt is required to avoid, unless the ball is ENTIRELY within the batters box.

[Dakota]

Funny, I never had a problem interpreting the ASA rule nor in applying it. I realize some one or two of you are anti-ASA in the extreme, but that does not mean the ASA rule does not allow for a proper application of the rule. It is the NCAA rule that has taken leave of common sense, IMO. And, I think the way the teams are taking advantage of the rule bears this out.

[Andy]

My feeling is that people are making this way too hard.

Why should the batter have to compensate for the pitcher throwing the ball where it shouldn't be?

The intent of the rule change was just that, but adding the verbiage about "entirely in the batter's box" caused some people to nitpick this to death.

The rule should simply read: If the batter is hit by a pitch NOT IN THE STRIKE ZONE, the batter is awarded first base.

As far as the batters crowding the plate...if the pitched ball doesn't hit her, there is very little room left for it NOT to be a strike......

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by Andy

My feeling is that people are making this way too hard.

Why should the batter have to compensate for the pitcher throwing the ball where it shouldn't be?

The intent of the rule change was just that, but adding the verbiage about "entirely in the batter's box" caused some people to nitpick this to death.

The rule should simply read: If the batter is hit by a pitch NOT IN THE STRIKE ZONE, the batter is awarded first base.

As far as the batters crowding the plate...if the pitched ball doesn't hit her, there is very little room left for it NOT to be a strike......

Seems like simple genius to me....

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Andy

My feeling is that people are making this way too hard.

Why should the batter have to compensate for the pitcher throwing the ball where it shouldn't be?

The intent of the rule change was just that, but adding the verbiage about "entirely in the batter's box" caused some people to nitpick this to death.

The rule should simply read: If the batter is hit by a pitch NOT IN THE STRIKE ZONE, the batter is awarded first base.

As far as the batters crowding the plate...if the pitched ball doesn't hit her, there is very little room left for it NOT to be a strike......

So, Andy, in your rule verbiage, if a batter puts her elbow over the plate, and the pitch hits her elbow over the plate, but the pitch is too high to be a strike, you propose that should be an awarded base? Or kicks her foot out on a low pitch over the plate? High and low pitches are also where it shouldn't be, so anything but a strike is fair game to get a base award?

Just wanting to fully understand your position.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Common sense certainly is not being applied based on the rule in NCAA, NFHS and any other rule set that followed. Way to many HBP that are either strikes or not in the batters box that the batters are just standing there taking, leaning into or hanging their armored elbows into. And, if you think the ASA rule is poorly written these other associations rules are equally as poorly written. All you ever hear from coaches and even umpires in general is that no attempt to avoid is required and that simply is not true. An attempt is required to avoid, unless the ball is ENTIRELY within the batters box.

That has 0% to do with common sense. It has a 100% to do with rules knowledge and judgment. Don't confuse them.