Hbp

[azbigdawg]

Call me a simple old man...but if the pitch is not where it is supposed to be (in the box), and the batter IS.... she should not have to get out of the way. The elbows hanging out over the plate are a little different.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Call me a simple old man...but if the pitch is not where it is supposed to be (in the box), and the batter IS.... she should not have to get out of the way. The elbows hanging out over the plate are a little different.

And I would completely agree IF the rule was being called as it is written. But it is not and we have all seen the batters hanging elbows and knees into the river and getting beaned on purpose. I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen the umpire actually make the batter stay and continue the at bat.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Call me a simple old man...but if the pitch is not where it is supposed to be (in the box), and the batter IS.... she should not have to get out of the way. The elbows hanging out over the plate are a little different.

Simple old man.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Call me a simple old man...but if the pitch is not where it is supposed to be (in the box), and the batter IS.... she should not have to get out of the way. The elbows hanging out over the plate are a little different.

Flawed logic. There is no rule stating a pitch cannot be thrown over the batter's box. But if the batter doesn't need to move when the ball is in the BB, why can you have CO if the catcher is attempting to receive the ball in the BB?

If the ball "isn't supposed to be there", then the batter shouldn't be able to hit the ball that is over the BB.

As a batter, common sense would tell one to avoid the sphere coming at you and that is not happening in the NCAA game.

Aahhh, WTF, let's just put up a screen in front of the batter and anytime the pitch hits it, the batter is awarded 1B

Then again, this is how the rule should probably read:

A pitched ball, not struck at, which touches any part of the batter's person or clothing, while standing in his position, provided the batter does not intentionally allow the ball to strike him.

Of course, now some idiot is going to say you cannot "know" intent. Well, if you are a good umpire, you can tell the difference between getting hit by the pitch and allowing the pitch to hit you. And yes, the batter should get the benefit of any doubt.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Then again, this is how the rule should probably read:

A pitched ball, not struck at, which touches any part of the batter's person or clothing, while standing in his position, provided the batter does not intentionally allow the ball to strike him.

Standing in his/her position is a bit narrow, need to allow for avoidance moves, etc.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Standing in his/her position is a bit narrow, need to allow for avoidance moves, etc.

I didn't write is. That was the rule in 1936

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That was the rule in 1936

I should have known!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Standing in his/her position is a bit narrow, need to allow for avoidance moves, etc.

Not intentionally allowing the ball to hit him does cover avoidance.

[chapmaja]

My opinion on this is simple. I feel there are two "zones" in which the players get. The first zone is the batters box. This is the batter's space. The second zone is the area from the inside line of the batter's box, across home plate and into the opposite batters box. This is the pitchers zone.

The rule should be simple. A pitched ball that strikes a batter in the batters box shall be ruled a HBP. A pitched ball that strikes a batter outside the of the batters box shall be ruled a dead ball and a strike or ball shall be awarded based on the location of the ball in relation to the strike zone.

There are only three things for an umpire to judge. Was the ball in the batters box or outside the batters box. Was the ball a strike or ball. Did the batter attempt to make contact with the pitched ball by swing or bunt attempt.

This rule would clearly define the space for each player and hopefully would eliminate the batters crowding the plate looking to get hit by a pitch. This also should not be a difficult call to make as the umpire should have a great view as to the location of the ball relative to the inside edge of the batters box. This rule also would eliminate the judgment of "did the batter attempt to avoid being hit by the ball?"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

My opinion on this is simple. I feel there are two "zones" in which the players get. The first zone is the batters box. This is the batter's space. The second zone is the area from the inside line of the batter's box, across home plate and into the opposite batters box. This is the pitchers zone.

The rule should be simple. A pitched ball that strikes a batter in the batters box shall be ruled a HBP. A pitched ball that strikes a batter outside the of the batters box shall be ruled a dead ball and a strike or ball shall be awarded based on the location of the ball in relation to the strike zone.

There are only three things for an umpire to judge. Was the ball in the batters box or outside the batters box. Was the ball a strike or ball. Did the batter attempt to make contact with the pitched ball by swing or bunt attempt.

This rule would clearly define the space for each player and hopefully would eliminate the batters crowding the plate looking to get hit by a pitch. This also should not be a difficult call to make as the umpire should have a great view as to the location of the ball relative to the inside edge of the batters box. This rule also would eliminate the judgment of "did the batter attempt to avoid being hit by the ball?"

In that case, the batter should not be allowed to hit a pitch that is in the BB, right?