Who's protected?

[jmkupka]

No outs, R1 on 2B.

Batter hits a high fly ball directly above F1 (it'll land on pitcher's plate if F1 moves, which she doesn't). F1 makes no movement to prepare to catch.

F6, charging infield, collides with R1.

Apparently, F1 is coached not to make any catches. But it's comin' down to her.

Which fielder is protected?

Does it matter that F6 was not yelling "Got it, got it..."

[RKBUmp]

I'd have a real hard time protecting f6 when the ball is coming down on top of f1's head.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

No outs, R1 on 2B.

Batter hits a high fly ball directly above F1 (it'll land on pitcher's plate if F1 moves, which she doesn't). F1 makes no movement to prepare to catch.

F6, charging infield, collides with R1.

Apparently, F1 is coached not to make any catches. But it's comin' down to her.

Which fielder is protected?

Does it matter that F6 was not yelling "Got it, got it..."

What rule code? Where is R1 when the contact occurs?

[3afan]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

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Which fielder is protected?
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OK what am I missing? How is a fielder "protected"? "Protected" from what?

[RKBUmp]

Protected from committing obstruction. Only 1 player is protected when fielding a batted ball.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Protected from committing obstruction. Only 1 player is protected when fielding a batted ball.

Actually, you're not protected "from" committing obstruction. You're protected "by" interference being called. It may seem subtle, but there's a difference.

[jmkupka]

ASA or PONY. R1 is leading big off the pitch.

So my question is, who is protected, the fielder who is obviously coached to make the play in this situation, or the fielder who obviously has the easiest (but not most likely) chance?

Again, does F6 shouting "I got it" while she's still behind the 2-3 baseline (but charging) let us off the hook as far as making the choice?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

asa or pony. R1 is leading big off the pitch.

So my question is, who is protected, the fielder who is obviously coached to make the play in this situation, or the fielder who obviously has the easiest (but not most likely) chance?

Again, does f6 shouting "i got it" while she's still behind the 2-3 baseline (but charging) let us off the hook as far as making the choice?

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[jmkupka]

Black & white. perfect.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Actually, you're not protected "from" committing obstruction. You're protected "by" interference being called. It may seem subtle, but there's a difference.

No, it's both. The fielder who is protected "by" interference cannot be guilty of obstruction while trying to field that batted ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

ASA or PONY. R1 is leading big off the pitch.

So my question is, who is protected, the fielder who is obviously coached to make the play in this situation, or the fielder who obviously has the easiest (but not most likely) chance?

Again, does F6 shouting "I got it" while she's still behind the 2-3 baseline (but charging) let us off the hook as far as making the choice?

We are not the coach. Protect the fielder that is in the best position to make the play... regardless of whatever they are coached.

The only way I could possibly see protecting F6 on a play like this is if I see F1 running immediately AWAY from the area, and F6 becomes most likely to play the ball before there is anything happening between F6 and R1. I see this as very unlikely... but possible.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I like to refer to the actual wording of the applicable rule when there is a question of the wording and meaning. I believe that understanding the rule is better than the black and white, so you can better judge when it is gray.

In ASA, 8-8.C (wording quite similar in NFHS and NCAA): THE RUNNER IS NOT OUT:

"When more than one fielder attempts to field a batted ball and the runner comes into contact with THE ONE who in the umpire's judgment could not have made an out." (in NCAA "make a play") So, let's parse this rule.

While there is no doubt this could be worded better and clearer, there are some key words that I have highlighted. "THE one" is what tells us there can be only one fielder protected; otherwise, it would eliminate "the", and "one" alone would tell us all who could make the out are protected.

"In the umpire's judgment" is what "let's you off the hook", as you say; that means you get to decide, not the coach telling you how he coaches his team.

And "made an out" means you get to decide that fielders chasing batted balls (usually an F6 chasing a batted ball up the middle) that YOU judge cannot make an out are not protected, and are, in fact, subject to obstruction calls with runners starting on 2nd. In NCAA, (or any other ruleset using that wording) if the F6 could reach and stop the ball, that alone extends the protection with "make a play" versus "made an out", irrespective of your judgment that no out could be made.

[jmkupka]

When more than one fielder (could be 3) attempt to field a batted ball, there are more "THE one" who could not have made the out.
This rule's usage of "THE one" tells us (incorrectly) that there is only one fielder liable for obs.

Regardless, I see your point, and regretted typing B&W as soon as I hit send.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

regretted typing B&W as soon as I hit send.

Then delete it.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I like to refer to the actual wording of the applicable rule when there is a question of the wording and meaning. I believe that understanding the rule is better than the black and white, so you can better judge when it is gray.

In ASA, 8-8.C (wording quite similar in NFHS and NCAA): THE RUNNER IS NOT OUT:

"When more than one fielder attempts to field a batted ball and the runner comes into contact with THE ONE who in the umpire's judgment could not have made an out." (in NCAA "make a play") So, let's parse this rule.

While there is no doubt this could be worded better and clearer, there are some key words that I have highlighted. "THE one" is what tells us there can be only one fielder protected; otherwise, it would eliminate "the", and "one" alone would tell us all who could make the out are protected.

"In the umpire's judgment" is what "let's you off the hook", as you say; that means you get to decide, not the coach telling you how he coaches his team.

And "made an out" means you get to decide that fielders chasing batted balls (usually an F6 chasing a batted ball up the middle) that YOU judge cannot make an out are not protected, and are, in fact, subject to obstruction calls with runners starting on 2nd. In NCAA, (or any other ruleset using that wording) if the F6 could reach and stop the ball, that alone extends the protection with "make a play" versus "made an out", irrespective of your judgment that no out could be made.

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