Unsure Ump on D3k

[Dakota]

How is the OP situation any different if the umpires did clearly see the D3K?

There would have been no call other than strike 3. BR would have run to 1B. Defense chose to make no play and returns the ball to the pitcher. BR steps off the base.

How does the late recognition that it was a D3K change anything?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

How is the OP situation any different if the umpires did clearly see the D3K?

There would have been no call other than strike 3. BR would have run to 1B. Defense chose to make no play and returns the ball to the pitcher. BR steps off the base.

How does the late recognition that it was a D3K change anything?

If caught, LBR. If not caught, apparent jeopardy?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If caught, LBR. If not caught, apparent jeopardy?

I'm having a hard time with what the umpires did or did not do that caused anyone jeopardy.

If the pitch was caught, the batter is out.

If the pitch was not caught, the PU calls (or more likely, signals, since it was a swing and miss) strike 3 and nothing more. The BU makes no call at all since there was no play.

What did the umpires do or not do that put anyone in jeopardy? Yes, they made themselves look bad by not knowing whether it was a D3K, but whether they knew it or not had no impact (that I can see) on the actions of either team.

Now, if the PU did the infamous strike 3 call "Steeeerike treee... yuuuur out!", well, now we have jeopardy if they change it later to a D3K.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I'm having a hard time with what the umpires did or did not do that caused anyone jeopardy.

If the pitch was caught, the batter is out.

If the pitch was not caught, the PU calls (or more likely, signals, since it was a swing and miss) strike 3 and nothing more. The BU makes no call at all since there was no play.

What did the umpires do or not do that put anyone in jeopardy? Yes, they made themselves look bad by not knowing whether it was a D3K, but whether they knew it or not had no impact (that I can see) on the actions of either team.

Now, if the PU did the infamous strike 3 call "Steeeerike treee... yuuuur out!", well, now we have jeopardy if they change it later to a D3K.

But it took a conference to decide on going with U3K, so the BR was jeopardized by the lack of decision and saying she had the right to 1st after the fact. Sketchy, I know, and there is the "play should know" aspect.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But it took a conference to decide on going with U3K, so the BR was jeopardized by the lack of decision and saying she had the right to 1st after the fact. Sketchy, I know, and there is the "play should know" aspect.

I just don't see this indecision as placing anyone in jeopardy. The BR stepped off of 1B before the indecision was evident to her. She just thought she was out by strikeout, and if the umpires were both 100% sure it was a D3K they would not have done or said anything different from what they did. (That is, unless something was left out of the OP's description. For example, if PU did declare the runner out, now we have jeopardy and a changed ruling by the umpires.)