Foul tip

[jmkupka]

Pitched ball goes sharply and directly from bat to F2's mitt, where it skips off the top of the mitt, hits F2's shoulder, goes up in the air, comes down in her mitt. Ball never touches anything but F2's person.

Live ball?

I ask because the rule book example has the ball go from bat to mitt, up in the air, then caught for a foul tip (never touching any other part of F2's person or equipment)

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

Pitched ball goes sharply and directly from bat to F2's mitt, where it skips off the top of the mitt, hits F2's shoulder, goes up in the air, comes down in her mitt. Ball never touches anything but F2's person.

Live ball?

I ask because the rule book example has the ball go from bat to mitt, up in the air, then caught for a foul tip (never touching any other part of F2's person or equipment)

ASA - Foul tip is a batted ball that goes sharply and directly from the bat to the catcher's glove / mitt or hand and is legally caught by the catcher.

What you describe is a foul ball, as the ball deflected off the mitt to the shoulder up in the air, etc.

[BretMan]

What you describe is a foul tip (ie: live ball, strike to the batter).

[BretMan]

Wow. Two responses with two totally opposite answers!

[Umpteenth]

If the ball deflected off the catcher's mitt to her shoulder, etc., why would that still be considered a foul tip? IMJ, even though the ball was then caught before touching the ground, I have a foul ball due to the deflection, based on definition.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

If the ball deflected off the catcher's mitt to her shoulder, etc., why would that still be considered a foul tip? IMJ, even though the ball was then caught before touching the ground, I have a foul ball due to the deflection, based on definition.

You have a foul ball...and I have two case plays (ASA & NFHS) that say otherwise!

By going directly from the bat to the mitt, this play meets the first part of the foul tip definition. The next part is "the catch". This catch would need to meet the same definition as a catch made on a batted ball- that is, it can touch nothing but a defensive player, it can't be made with detached equipment, the ball must become securely held, etc, etc, etc.

Of course a batted ball can be caught after it bounces off the body of a defender. The catch in the example meets the definition of a catch, and that satisfies the second part of the foul tip definition. So you have a foul tip.

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by BretMan

You have a foul ball...and I have two case plays (ASA & NFHS) that say otherwise!

By going directly from the bat to the mitt, this play meets the first part of the foul tip definition. The next part is "the catch". This catch would need to meet the same definition as a catch made on a batted ball- that is, it can touch nothing but a defensive player, it can't be made with detached equipment, the ball must become securely held, etc, etc, etc.

Of course a batted ball can be caught after it bounces off the body of a defender. The catch in the example meets the definition of a catch, and that satisfies the second part of the foul tip definition. So you have a foul tip.

Ah, I see. I'm good with that, appreciate the explanation.