bat list

[Little Jimmy]

Beginning the pre season meetings and making sure I'm right with this year's bat list for Fed. I'm finding the photo on the ASA site with 20 bats. Is this the one we're using? Thanks.

[Little Jimmy]

After looking closer, I found the shorter list that has 9 bats. These have the 2004 mark but have been re-tested and are no longer allowed. This is what I need for my upcoming high school meetings.

[Insane Blue]

Here is the Multi page official ASA link for banned bats this one shows 1 row at a time bigger pictures


Here is the 1 page official ASA link for banned bats this one shows pictures of all the bats but much smaller

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

After looking closer, I found the shorter list that has 9 bats. These have the 2004 mark but have been re-tested and are no longer allowed. This is what I need for my upcoming high school meetings.

That is not accurate. NFHS 1-5-d allows bats with both 2004 OR 2000 ASA bat certification that are not on the Non-Approved bat list.

Repeat for those that believe the myth; bats with the 2000 bat certification are legal in NFHS unless they are on the (longer; all bats with 2000 or 2004 certifications, currently 29 bats) Non-Approved bat list.

[Little Jimmy]

I agree that both marks are legal in Fed. I give our guys the shorter, 2004 only list because it is a rarity that we see a bat that has the 2000 mark. It's easier for them to have in their hand when checking bats.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

All right, now I am really confused.

Could somebody break it down the requirements by ASA, NFHS, NCAA, and NAIA. Thanks.

MTD, Sr.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Not that complicated, it's the shortcuts and liberties people take that make it appear complicated.

ASA fastpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

ASA slowpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, 2013 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

NFHS: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

NCAA: Bat must have ASA 2004 cert, AND not be on the ASA NonApproved list, AND must be on the NCAA Approved List, AND must be highlighted, counted, and inspected pregame as part of that team's bat list.

NAIA: Identical to NCAA in every way. Uses all NCAA rules, protocols, and procedures.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Not that complicated, it's the shortcuts and liberties people take that make it appear complicated.

ASA fastpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

ASA slowpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, 2013 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

NFHS: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

NCAA: Bat must have ASA 2004 cert, AND not be on the ASA NonApproved list, AND must be on the NCAA Approved List, AND must be highlighted, counted, and inspected pregame as part of that team's bat list.

NAIA: Identical to NCAA in every way. Uses all NCAA rules, protocols, and procedures.

Mark, Jr., and I thank you for the break down. This is the time of Rules Difference that the NFHS should put on its website.

MTD, Sr.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

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ASA fastpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

In the interest of completeness, JO Boy's Fastpitch, Men's Fastpitch, and Men's Modified are allowed to use bats with the 2013 ASA cert. The bat must not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

That is not accurate. NFHS 1-5-d allows bats with both 2004 OR 2000 ASA bat certification that are not on the Non-Approved bat list.

Repeat for those that believe the myth; bats with the 2000 bat certification are legal in NFHS unless they are on the (longer; all bats with 2000 or 2004 certifications, currently 29 bats) Non-Approved bat list.

However, state high school associations may adopt/amend the rules to only recognize the 2004 certification. PA is one such state. PA also uses a slightly different bat list; it is the bats with 2004's plus the Reebok Vector O.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

However, state high school associations may adopt/amend the rules to only recognize the 2004 certification. PA is one such state. PA also uses a slightly different bat list; it is the bats with 2004's plus the Reebok Vector O.

Reebok Vector O is a baseball bat and is not legal for Softball additionally it is illegal for Baseball also due to the holes in the handle.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Reebok Vector O is a baseball bat and is not legal for Softball additionally it is illegal for Baseball also due to the holes in the handle.

There is a softball version (marketed under "slow pitch") which is ASA legal. Model VOASP.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

There is a softball version (marketed under "slow pitch") which is ASA legal. Model VOASP.

have never seen this one

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Not that complicated, it's the shortcuts and liberties people take that make it appear complicated.

ASA fastpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

ASA slowpitch: Bat must have ASA 2000 cert, OR, 2004 cert, OR, 2013 cert, OR, in umpires judgment be manufactured prior to 2000 and comply in every other way, AND (in all cases) not be on the ASA NonApproved list.

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OK, Mike, there is your class.

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