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It would definitely be a cluster-F. |
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If I had any doubts, I would be open to 2) - checking with my partner on a coach's request. There is also option 3) - which has been discussed back and forth over the years in my HS association - and that is: BEFORE making the call (but after visually making sure my partner is trailing), loudly asking my partner, "Did she hold the bag?" or in the case of a possible swipe tag "Did you see a tag?" The answer should be a yes or no with the proper signal. This would only happen if it is pre-gamed and understood and I am working with a partner I can trust. I'm still not sure if this is a deviation from HS (or ASA) mechanics or an accepted method. |
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Like I said, this has been discussed back and forth over the years in my HS association (Softball Association), including input from a (now former) state evaluator) and I don't think we ever reached a conclusion. I've been to a couple of NUS weekends since this first came up, but always forget to ask. |
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I want "something specific" |
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Pointing to your partner in this situation, or any time you haven't made a call, is not going for help! An umpire who does this is ceding or "giving up" the call. The call now belongs to the partner, like it or not s/he is in the same situation. If there is no evidence of an out, the runner must be safe. There can be NO discussion as the BU already demonstrated s/he did not see any evidence of an out. |
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BU rules the runner Out on the swipe tag. First base coach goes to the BU and points out there was no tag, and the BU comes to you. S(he) says, "Did you see a successful swipe tag?" Are you going to answer, "No, the tag missed," and be done with it? Or are you going to say, "No, the tag missed, but she did come down on the orange bag"? |
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Theoretically, the former (No, the tag missed," and be done with it) is acceptable, after all it is the BU call and that seems their only doubt. Now, if the BU asks next "did you see anything else", you are back to non-specific; but I have to answer about the tag. Maybe being inconsistent, but is having both questions really a TWP? |
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I would offer the fact that I saw F3 come down with the ball on the edge of the orange bag prior to the runner arriving. I would also tell him that the tag missed.
It's then up to him to use that information and relay his decision to the coach. |
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a.) calls BR "Safe - Off the Base!" because of missing the white base? Should have called Out before the attempted swipe tag. b.) calls BR Out on an unseen tag, but announces TAG! OUT! ? Should have called Safe and then gone for help if asked. It is really hard for me to un-ring an Out without throwing your partner under the bus. BU "saw" the tag that didn't happen - judgement. What is the lesser of two evils here? - simply eat a bad judgement call - or have the call overturned validating/emphasizing the mistake IMHO the former will be forgotten and forgiven much quicker than the latter. I think we have all seen this happen setting the shit-storm in motion. I see it as throwing good money after bad. This would be discussed in great detail in the post-game debrief. |
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I can live with being under the bus if we get the call right. |
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