Yes.

Thanks LIUmp, so it is the effect you noted in 8-2 d-h?

Yes. :) Though I don't like it, it is the rule.

Yes there are a lot of rules that in my opinion need changed. I guess I should start a thread about rules that need changed.

I agree, the rule penalizes the defense for an action which the offense made. Yes, the offense gets hit with an out, but they get an out on the batter-runner, not the runner who is in scoring position.

We may not have enough bandwith for that discussion.

Oooh, I feel sheepish. I didn't realize the rule required killing the play to call the BR out. :o

I have never done that; in fact, when a BR enters DBT after failing to advance to first on an U3K, I seldom make any signal or announcement. If she decides to come out of the dugout to try to advance to first, then I would say something. But that's never happened to me before.

FWIW, the NCAA rule allows for the ball to be kept live. So does every other organization I've umpired in (baseball-wise) except, I've now learned, ASA and FED softball.

Fed/ASA - 1 out. Everyone else - 2 outs.

In reality, though, unless you have a three-man crew, and/or the BR's dugout is on the third base side, who will likely see the sequence of events here?

Both umpires' attention will be on the rundown, looking for the tag, possible obstruction, a possible three-foot violation, etc. Who is going to see the BR enter her dugout at first base and immediately kill play? Good luck with that!

A fair point, and you're probably right. BU should have an eye partially on BR - he's still responsible for possible OBS and the touch at first base. I'd hope that he would notice, at some point, that BR was not where he thought he should be and would then try to peripherally locate him.

But yeah - his primary focus will be on his end of the rundown, so this could get missed.

Situations like this are where I disagree with bracketing rundowns in the 2 umpire system. With multiple runners, one umpire has to be responsible for the trailing runners.

In this specific situation, the PU would have the entire rundown between third and home as that is the lead runner and the BU would have the batter-runner.

Communication between the two umpires is the key here.