Annoyed...

[DRJ1960]

JV game... quality programs having down year. Coach "A" is calling time and questioning every judgment call. The fifth (yes fifth) time he came out to question a call of "safe" or "out" I stopped him as he started to complain and told him if he didn't have a question about a rule or an appeal we were going to play ball. He started up again and I walked away and called "Play ball" . He was not happy with me... what would you do?

[Dakota]

I'd remind him that, while I do have high tolerance for hearing coach's questions, complaining about judgment calls is against the rules. Then I'd walk away.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I'd remind him that, while I do have high tolerance for hearing coach's questions, complaining about judgment calls is against the rules. Then I'd walk away.

I would then eject the coach for unsportsmanlike conduct if the action repeated itself again. From the OP it sounds like he was given ample opportunity to follow the rules, and eventually he gave himself enough rope to hang himself so to speak.

[MD Longhorn]

The problem is that you let it get to five. FIVE?!?! Wow.

The first time, if he's polite, he gets his rope and uses it up. If you didn't feel the need to tell him we aren't going to discuss judgement calls at the end of that, then a QUICK stop sign at the BEGINNING of the 2nd time out gets him that speech. Not the 3rd... not the 4th.... not the 5th.

Too much rope. FAR too much.

And after you said what you said, and he started up... toss him.

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The problem is that you let it get to five. FIVE?!?! Wow.

The first time, if he's polite, he gets his rope and uses it up. If you didn't feel the need to tell him we aren't going to discuss judgement calls at the end of that, then a QUICK stop sign at the BEGINNING of the 2nd time out gets him that speech. Not the 3rd... not the 4th.... not the 5th.

Too much rope. FAR too much.

And after you said what you said, and he started up... toss him.

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.
ie... when he asks you to "go for help" ... you go--even on judgment calls...you don't have to change a thing, but you do cater to the nonsense.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.
ie... when he asks you to "go for help" ... you go--even on judgment calls...you don't have to change a thing, but you do cater to the nonsense.

Tell us you're kidding.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.
ie... when he asks you to "go for help" ... you go--even on judgment calls...you don't have to change a thing, but you do cater to the nonsense.

If the commissioner has a problem, give him/her your indicator and head for the cooler

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.
ie... when he asks you to "go for help" ... you go--even on judgment calls...you don't have to change a thing, but you do cater to the nonsense.

Sadly, this is how things work with assignors now. I know personally being that I assign in a different sport for local high schools that we face pressure from other assignors and associations every year. New groups try to step up and take over what an established group is doing. They always think they can do it better, so they persuade schools and conferences to change assignors/associations. It has become big business for the assignors. I am a small time assignor, but I still am making decent money assigning game officials. I know some assignors that make $2 or $3 per game and assign for 100 schools. If those schools all have 10 home games a season, the money adds up quickly to the tune of several thousand dollars in revenue for the assignor.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.
ie... when he asks you to "go for help" ... you go--even on judgment calls...you don't have to change a thing, but you do cater to the nonsense.

I work for that "rival" association. Please, please, please take our esteemed colleagues advice, and umpire like you know you should. LOL!

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Can't disagree... but our "policy" from the Commissioner is to not irritate the coaches who act like that because we are afraid that our "rival" association will swoop in and take our contracts.

It's one thing when the inmates run the asylum. It's entirely another thing when the asylum's director not only encourages it, but tells the staff to allow it.

Your commissioner needs to step down. He's putting contracts ahead of quality officiating.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The problem is that you let it get to five. FIVE?!?! Wow.

The first time, if he's polite, he gets his rope and uses it up. If you didn't feel the need to tell him we aren't going to discuss judgement calls at the end of that, then a QUICK stop sign at the BEGINNING of the 2nd time out gets him that speech. Not the 3rd... not the 4th.... not the 5th.

Too much rope. FAR too much.

And after you said what you said, and he started up... toss him.

Does it matter to any of you if the discussions were about different things, e.g., banger at 2nd, why an IP, why an OBS, etc.?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Does it matter to any of you if the discussions were about different things, e.g., banger at 2nd, why an IP, why an OBS, etc.?

It depends. But in the OP, the coach was questioning "safe/out" judgment calls, not any rule interpretations.

I say it depends because I might entertain two or three rule questions from the same coach if he/she is cordial while asking. But after that, I'm going to warn the coach that this is a game, not a rules clinic, and that if he/she doesn't understand why certain rulings were made, he/she needs to take the time to open the rule book and learn.

And that's probably during a game in a rec league. High school JV? Those coaches should know better.

As for judgment calls like the banger, the coach may get away with one or two asks.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Does it matter to any of you if the discussions were about different things, e.g., banger at 2nd, why an IP, why an OBS, etc.?

It might, at least on a couple of those. Banger at 2nd is no different from any other judgement call...

If someone is really asking me "Why was that illegal" or "What did you see that made that obstruction", it's not an issue... but that's really completely different than coming out complaining or yelling that it wasn't illegal or it wasn't obstruction.

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Does it matter to any of you if the discussions were about different things, e.g., banger at 2nd, why an IP, why an OBS, etc.?

No rules type questions... all safes/outs that he didn't like