From an association quiz

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I wondered if anyone else was considering that.

I certainly hope that was not a test consideration.

I'm kind of bothered that it was a test question ... if it actually was.

Just

R1 on 2nd, R2 on first, 1 out, B4 hits a high pop fly that lands in foul territory between home and first base then kicks (untouched) into fair territory. F2 fields the ball and throws to F3 who tags R2 as they are standing off the base.

on it's own ... what's the question?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm kind of bothered that it was a test question ... if it actually was.

Just on it's own ... what's the question?

Well, the OP said "How would you rule. ", presumably what the test said.

[Dakota]

I obviously don't know how the test question was presented, but I like the situation presented as part of a test and/or discussion question. It has a number of interesting aspects that could drive how a multiple choice question is completed or how a discussion could proceed.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Double play whether called or not.....

If we don't call an in field fly on a ball hit above the shortstop in this scenario,

we would still have a dp.....this scenario is no different....

That would be incorrect

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That would be incorrect

How would it be incorrect?

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That would be incorrect

IM -

Please explain your logic....

The ball is a fair ball when it is touched. If runners that are on base, make the IF rule applicable, then the rule must be enforced. Runners advance at their own
risk. They run get tagged out = double play ( two outs )....

Am I missing something.....

[Multiple Sports]

Can an administrator also put this on the baseball site with an explanation as to why it was added.

Am curious what fed baseball guys would have....

[NavyChiefBlue]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Can an administrator also put this on the baseball site with an explanation as to why it was added.

Am curious what fed baseball guys would have....

As a baseball guy, I would have 2 outs. IFR does not need to be called, if it is great, if not, sorry, but the situation still warrants it. Runners need to know the rules as well.

Have a great day!

STRIKES AND OUTS!!!

[andyump]

i am a varsity high school umpire in orange county ny our interp stated to us if neither umpire calls infield field that shame on you and ball is live all runners and batter runner at own risk,

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by andyump

i am a varsity high school umpire in orange county ny our interp stated to us if neither umpire calls infield field that shame on you and ball is live all runners and batter runner at own risk,

While this might not apply to the OP, the advice you're being given is wrong (from the top).

Better scenario to illustrate this:

Runners on 1st and 2nd. Typical infield fly to the pitcher, but for whatever reason, not called. Ball drops. F1 picks up, throws to third, F5 throws to 2nd. Double play, because the umps screwed up putting the offense in jeopardy.

This is EXACTLY the scenario where the umpire MUST fix it, call the batter out, and put the runners back on bases.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Better scenario to illustrate this: Runners on 1st and 2nd. Typical infield fly to the pitcher, but for whatever reason, not called. Ball drops. F1 picks up, throws to third, F5 throws to 2nd. Double play, because the umps screwed up putting the offense in jeopardy.
This is EXACTLY the scenario where the umpire MUST fix it, call the batter out, and put the runners back on bases.

This is from a baseball game and I know this is the softball side.
This is a scenario that I saw last Friday in a 3A baseball game. The umpires were not from our chapter, thankfully.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Batter hits a high pop up, PU signals IFF, pop fly lands in fair territory about 4' in front of the edge of the infield and rolls across the 1B line, fair ball. As soon as the ball hits the ground, Runner from 3B leaves to score. F3 picks up the ball. The runner on 2B tries to run to 3B but the coach sends him back. While the runner is returning to 2B, F3 throws the ball to F6 covering 2B. F6 catches the throw and touches the base, not the runner. BU calls the runner out for the third out.

I was livid. I don't know how the offensive HC didn't get thrown out. At least the umpires scored the run. These umpires didn't know they had something that needed to be fixed.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by andyump

i am a varsity high school umpire in orange county ny our interp stated to us if neither umpire calls infield field that shame on you and ball is live all runners and batter runner at own risk,

Buy him/her a rule book.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

IM -

Please explain your logic....

The ball is a fair ball when it is touched. If runners that are on base, make the IF rule applicable, then the rule must be enforced. Runners advance at their own
risk. They run get tagged out = double play ( two outs )....

Am I missing something.....

The failure of the umpire to make the ruling in a timely manner placed the runner in jeopardy.

[andyump]

If anyone is a nysso ump they would know in the Manuel on page 41 it states
If the batted ball lands uncaught and the umpires failed to declare an infield fly, the umpires shall not declare and infield fly
Rationale to call infield fly so late would lead. To further confusion
THis is. Nys interpretation not ASA

[Little Jimmy]

Rule 8-2-9 note and casebook 2.30 B ruling seem told support all outs on this play. What rule trumps these?