4th Out On Same Runner?

WestMichBlue · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 08:06am

2 outs, bases loaded, ball hit to fence. B-R is tagged out going into 3B. 3rd Out, timing play, 3 runs score.

But defense then appeals that B-R missed 1B and ump agrees. Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out? If so, then the LAST out is an "Appeal/Force Out" and no runs score. Right?

WMB

greymule · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 08:14am

Right.

Dakota · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 09:33am

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Originally posted by WestMichBlue
Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out?

Yes.

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If so, then the LAST out is an "Appeal/Force Out" and no runs score. Right?WMB

Right.
The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.

LDUB · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 10:26am

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Originally posted by Dakota

The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.

Except the runner leaving early on a catch is an appeal, not a force.

Steve M · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 10:36am

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Originally posted by LDUB

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Originally posted by Dakota

The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.

Except the runner leaving early on a catch is an appeal, not a force.

LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M

CecilOne · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 01:52pm

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Originally posted by Steve M
LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M [/B]

Right. Except that someone on some forum a week ago couldn't tell the difference between a force and a "tag the base" live ball appeal

, so we have to keep everyone straight.

kellerumps · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 02:11pm

No runs score....Discussion to follow

Steve M · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 20, 2003, 03:00pm

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Originally posted by CecilOne

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve M
LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M

Right. Except that someone on some forum a week ago couldn't tell the difference between a force and a "tag the base" live ball appeal

, so we have to keep everyone straight. [/B]

OK, sometimes I forget that all sorts of folks visit.

Steve M

bethsdad · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 21, 2003, 12:56am

Thanks Steve but I do remember the difference between the force and a tag up. LOL

SC Ump · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 22, 2003, 06:07am

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Originally posted by WestMichBlue
Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out?

There was was discussion a couple of years ago about how one of the major "baseball" interpreatations did not allow this. I don't know which one, but I just thought I would mention it. I do not personal agree with that interp and think that in your original play, I would allow the out at first. I do not know of any rules to prevent it.

Dan