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WestMichBlue Wed Aug 20, 2003 08:06am
2 outs, bases loaded, ball hit to fence. B-R is tagged out going into 3B. 3rd Out, timing play, 3 runs score.

But defense then appeals that B-R missed 1B and ump agrees. Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out? If so, then the LAST out is an "Appeal/Force Out" and no runs score. Right?

WMB

greymule Wed Aug 20, 2003 08:14am
Right.

Dakota Wed Aug 20, 2003 09:33am
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Originally posted by WestMichBlue
Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out?
Yes.
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If so, then the LAST out is an "Appeal/Force Out" and no runs score. Right?WMB
Right.
The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.

LDUB Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:26am
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Originally posted by Dakota

The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.
Except the runner leaving early on a catch is an appeal, not a force.

Steve M Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:36am
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Originally posted by LDUB
Quote:
Originally posted by Dakota

The 4th out appeal can be used to remove a run from the book by changing a timing play 3rd out to a force play third out.
Except the runner leaving early on a catch is an appeal, not a force.
LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M

CecilOne Wed Aug 20, 2003 01:52pm
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Originally posted by Steve M
LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M [/B]
Right. Except that someone on some forum a week ago couldn't tell the difference between a force and a "tag the base" live ball appeal :rolleyes:, so we have to keep everyone straight.

kellerumps Wed Aug 20, 2003 02:11pm
No runs score....Discussion to follow :)

Steve M Wed Aug 20, 2003 03:00pm
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Originally posted by CecilOne
Quote:
Originally posted by Steve M
LDUB,
While your statement is correct, I don't see that it is relevant to what Tom said.

Steve M
Right. Except that someone on some forum a week ago couldn't tell the difference between a force and a "tag the base" live ball appeal :rolleyes:, so we have to keep everyone straight. [/B]
OK, sometimes I forget that all sorts of folks visit.

Steve M

bethsdad Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:56am
Thanks Steve but I do remember the difference between the force and a tag up. LOL

SC Ump Fri Aug 22, 2003 06:07am
Quote:
Originally posted by WestMichBlue
Can we have a FOURTH out on the same runner that committed another out?
There was was discussion a couple of years ago about how one of the major "baseball" interpreatations did not allow this. I don't know which one, but I just thought I would mention it. I do not personal agree with that interp and think that in your original play, I would allow the out at first. I do not know of any rules to prevent it.

Dan


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