Look up ASA case play 8.1-11. Runner who missed the plate may be ruled out on appeal.
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This is sort of a poorly worded section in the rulebook in my opinion, HOWEVER, 8-1-1 situation F does cover a play involving a bases loaded walk.
In the situation, a player is thrown out after rounding a base, but before R1 touches home. The comments states, that the R1 is AWARDED home, therefore the run would count even if a runner was thrown out after passing a base they had been awarded. The rules also say a runner has to run awarded bases properly though. |
what reason did the PU provide to call the runner out?
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To my mind, ASA has this one right, where FED does not. But given that the OP was FED, the runner from 3rd is AWARDED home (chap posts one of the places that shows FED feels this way), and on an award the runner must be given the opportunity to fix baserunning mistakes.
In ASA, this is clearly an out. |
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There are several rules in play on this call. First, as stated from the CB play, the player is awarded home plate because she was forced to advance on the award of first for a Base on balls. Second, rule 8-3-4 states that when a runner has based a base, she is said to have touched it. It specifically adds "This also applies to awarded bases". Third, the fact that a base on balls is a live ball in fast pitch. Fourth, A live ball appeal is allowed for a runner missing a base. This leads me to this conclusion: Since the awarded base was passed by the runner she is said to have touched the base, and since the ball is live after a base on balls an appeal on her missing the base can be granted as soon as she missed home plate, thus the umpire was correct in ruling the runner out on a live ball appeal. This play is different than the case play in that in the case play, the out was made on a different runner, who arrived at and passed the base she was awarded and was then tagged out. In the case play, the runner awarded home had not yet touched home plate. A timing play can't occur on a player who is awarded he base, so the out counts, but since home was an award, the run counts as well. |
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I agree with you on a dead ball appeal. There are plenty of case plays where a runner is awarded a base (or bases) when the ball is batted/thrown into DBT, and the runner is allowed to fix a base running mistake until she advances to and touches the base beyond the one where the mistake was made. But on a live ball appeal, where does it say this premise also holds true? I've never seen a case play that says that, and never heard of it until this discussion. I repeat the play that I mentioned earlier that nobody has addressed: Quote:
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Another element of the OP is that the runner "cuts in front of home" on her way to the 1B dugout, so she should never be considered to have touched (passed) the base.
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Is the BR allowed to go back and touch first? Or is she no longer able to because she advanced and touched second? |
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