Seriously?

Skahtboi · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 10:50am

According to MLB this is no longer an out. How long until it filters down to us???

Rangers manager Ron Washington ejected after call is overturned Monday | Mariners.com: News

RKBUmp · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:23am

Certainly looks like a catch and a loss of the ball on transfer to throwing hand to me. Saw another last week on a play at 2nd the ruled no catch. What is this definition in MLB? Havent seen it.

Insane Blue · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:26am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi

According to MLB this is no longer an out. How long until it filters down to us???

Rangers manager Ron Washington ejected after call is overturned Monday | Mariners.com: News

It all ready is with us. the catcher flipped the ball to his hand bobbled it so he has no control.

Skahtboi · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:32am

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Originally Posted by Insane Blue

It all ready is with us. the catcher flipped the ball to his hand bobbled it so he has no control.

But the catch is a catch. What if the play ended with the catch? Are you going to require a transfer to see if the catch was legit????

I will continue to rule on the catch, as an umpire, and not on the transfer.

Skahtboi · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:33am

More exhibits as to just how badly MLB umpires have lost their minds:

Baseball’s New Strategy: Drop the Ball on Purpose | FanGraphs Baseball

RKBUmp · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:40am

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Originally Posted by Insane Blue

It all ready is with us. the catcher flipped the ball to his hand bobbled it so he has no control.

By that definition then, even if the catcher had controlled the ball with the throwing hand it should not be an out because control was not established until after he removed his foot from the base.

Insane Blue · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:53am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi

But the catch is a catch. What if the play ended with the catch? Are you going to require a transfer to see if the catch was legit????

I will continue to rule on the catch, as an umpire, and not on the transfer.

just going by the book.

3afan · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:23pm

the flip of the ball to the throwing hand is a 'voluntary release' ... catch!

Manny A · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp

What is this definition in MLB? Havent seen it.

This is what someone posted on the baseball discussion board. It apparently comes from the Wendlestedt Umpire School.

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"In determining whether a fielder drops the ball 'while in the act of making a throw following the catch' in accordance with Rule 2.00, the umpires will determine whether the fielder obtained possession of a ball in flight but dropped the ball while in the act of making a throw during the momentum of the catch. For example, if the shortstop, in an effort to turn a double play, throws to the second baseman, who drops the ball while in the act of drawing back his arm to make a throw to first base, the second baseman shall be adjudged to have had secure control of the ball and thus the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught by the second baseman. However, it shall not be adjudged to be a catch if, while in the act of making a throw during the momentum of the catch, the fielder loses possession of the ball in the transfer (e.g., flip from the glove) before he secures the ball with his throwing hand.

"Our emphasis: The 'flip' itself is not deemed a voluntary release, even though it may be a voluntary action. This is an update you will find in the 2014 Rules and Interpretations Manual. We have removed the exclusive interpretation offered for a number of year providing that it only be an attempted voluntary release. This is no longer the case. The release must be voluntary. Additionally, this interpretation has been merged with a tag of a base as well on the front end of a double play attempt. He must secure the ball in his throwing hand before it will be deemed secure possession was made."

RKBUmp · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:46pm

Did that happen to come from the same person who wrote the NFHS courtesy runner interpretation over on the baseball board?

MD Longhorn · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:07pm

Here's what I'm waiting for.

Bases loaded, no outs. Shallow fly ball to right field. F9 appears to catch the ball, then jogs to the pitcher. Then flips the ball to his throwing hand so he can hand it to the pitcher - but he fails to catch the flip.

No catch.

Pitcher gets the ball, they then throw home, then 3rd, then 2nd. Triple play.

Manny A · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Did that happen to come from the same person who wrote the NFHS courtesy runner interpretation over on the baseball board?

It doesn't matter. It's obvious that the MLB replay officials are going by it.

RKBUmp · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:35pm

Intersting that they appear to be going by some rule from an umpire school when the following is taken directly from the MLB rulebook posted on the MLB website.

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If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught.

IRISHMAFIA · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:45am

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Originally Posted by Insane Blue

It all ready is with us. the catcher flipped the ball to his hand bobbled it so he has no control.

Bullshit. The fact that the catcher COULD flip the ball from glove to bare hand demonstrates control.

IRISHMAFIA · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:50am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi

According to MLB this is no longer an out. How long until it filters down to us???

Rangers manager Ron Washington ejected after call is overturned Monday | Mariners.com: News

Y'all gotta forget MLB as a valid rule source. Just because there is a lot of money involved does not make it better or more authoritative than any other organization.