Just one of those nights.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I'm just addressing the general comments that others here allude that umpires are not allowed to talk to players. That's just not true.

We would all do well to recognize that the individuals making those comments do not play their high school games under NFHS rules or use the NFHS umpire manual as their guide. They write their own manual because no one else knows how to handle the game in their state, which is obviously diferent than any other state.

Temper your impression and/or concern about their comments (and opinions) based on that knowledge.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

We would all do well to recognize that the individuals making those comments do not play their high school games under NFHS rules or use the NFHS umpire manual as their guide. They write their own manual because no one else knows how to handle the game in their state, which is obviously diferent than any other state.

Temper your impression and/or concern about their comments (and opinions) based on that knowledge.

Fine. Does their rule set have a rule prohibiting umpires from talking to players? It would be the only one if it does, as far as I know.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

We would all do well to recognize that the individuals making those comments do not play their high school games under NFHS rules or use the NFHS umpire manual as their guide. They write their own manual because no one else knows how to handle the game in their state, which is obviously diferent than any other state.

Temper your impression and/or concern about their comments (and opinions) based on that knowledge.

You sure have a gift for saying more than you write!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

We would all do well to recognize that the individuals making those comments do not play their high school games under NFHS rules or use the NFHS umpire manual as their guide. They write their own manual because no one else knows how to handle the game in their state, which is obviously diferent than any other state.

Temper your impression and/or concern about their comments (and opinions) based on that knowledge.

I am one of the main posters saying talk just to coaches and inform players through coaches.
I am not involved with those writing their own manual or being different than NFHS.

My training and my received critiques for years have been not to give instructions directly to players for several reasons. This has accumulated over the years (28), so I can't cite specific sources, but there have been several. Reasons have been coach's objections, avoiding favoritism, avoiding liability, distracting players, etc.

Yes, I know the manual and the cases might imply direct communication; but don't specifically say so and I believe can be interpreted as via coaches, if that is the association or umpire policy.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I am one of the main posters saying talk just to coaches and inform players through coaches.
I am not involved with those writing their own manual or being different than NFHS.

My training and my received critiques for years have been not to give instructions directly to players for several reasons. This has accumulated over the years (28), so I can't cite specific sources, but there have been several. Reasons have been coach's objections, avoiding favoritism, avoiding liability, distracting players, etc.

Yes, I know the manual and the cases might imply direct communication; but don't specifically say so and I believe can be interpreted as via coaches, if that is the association or umpire policy.

FWIW, I wasn't referencing you. IMO, you stated a personal preference on how to manage your game; others stated NFHS written policy is just wrong.

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

FWIW, I wasn't referencing you. IMO, you stated a personal preference on how to manage your game; others stated NFHS written policy is just wrong.

I did not say that Steve. I'm in the state that is not NFHS, but I PERSONALLY avoid having communications with the players on certain situations.

But I never said NFHS is wrong. Not once.