Why different rulesets?

[bsnalex]

This has been bugging me for a while - and it's not limited to softball, it's effectively every sport there is (except soccer).

But why in America do leagues and systems not play by rulesets that have been codified by the international governing body for the sport? I mean, the NBA doesn't play by FIBA rules, the NHL has it's own code. Softball has to be the worst perpetrators, having different rule sets for High School, NCAA, adult amateur etc. We've got NFHS, ASA, NCAA.

Why doesn't every system out there just play by ISF? At their hearts, the rules of the game are the same, but then each ruleset has variations on the semantics of the game.

It just frustrates me from time to time--selfishly because my fed plays ISF so alot of these rulesets are lost on me and the board doesn't give me the help i usually need

[3afan]

that would be so nice!

[Manny A]

There are different rule sets because there are different governing bodies dealing with different populations. You really can't have the same rule set apply for college women, 10 year-old girls, and 65 year-old men.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

This has been bugging me for a while - and it's not limited to softball, it's effectively every sport there is (except soccer).

But why in America do leagues and systems not play by rulesets that have been codified by the international governing body for the sport? I mean, the NBA doesn't play by FIBA rules, the NHL has it's own code. Softball has to be the worst perpetrators, having different rule sets for High School, NCAA, adult amateur etc. We've got NFHS, ASA, NCAA.

Why doesn't every system out there just play by ISF? At their hearts, the rules of the game are the same, but then each ruleset has variations on the semantics of the game.

It just frustrates me from time to time--selfishly because my fed plays ISF so alot of these rulesets are lost on me and the board doesn't give me the help i usually need

NFHS and NCAA has its on set of rules for soccer too.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

This has been bugging me for a while - and it's not limited to softball, it's effectively every sport there is (except soccer).

But why in America do leagues and systems not play by rulesets that have been codified by the international governing body for the sport? I mean, the NBA doesn't play by FIBA rules, the NHL has it's own code. Softball has to be the worst perpetrators, having different rule sets for High School, NCAA, adult amateur etc. We've got NFHS, ASA, NCAA.

Why doesn't every system out there just play by ISF? At their hearts, the rules of the game are the same, but then each rule set has variations on the semantics of the game.

It just frustrates me from time to time--selfishly because my fed plays ISF so alot of these rulesets are lost on me and the board doesn't give me the help i usually need

Basketball was invented in the US. Why doesn't FIBA use USA rules?

Hockey was invented in Canada - why does some international group get to usurp the rules?

If soccer rules don't differ why are the field, ball, and goal sizes different by age? (If they are integrated into the rule book, why were the changes made?) And is there mandatory play in all soccer games?

Do you really want 8 year-old kids playing baseball on a 90' diamond with no pitching limits and no mandatory play?

Do you really want 8 year olds bouncing/rolling the ball to the plate from the international softball pitching distance?

Games are played by players of vastly differing ages and skills. Rules get adjusted to accommodate this.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Not to hijack, and mostly rhetorical...but why

don't the wheels from my old Toyota fit on my newer Honda?

is it that every time I get a new cell phone, I need a new car charger?

aren't umpire plate shoes, sneakers, whatever, consistent in size? (Include Fech umpire pants.)

won't my 8-track tapes play in my blu-ray player?

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...You really can't have the same rule set apply for college women, 10 year-old girls, and 65 year-old men.

This is exactly what the ASA ruleset does...with specific allowances for different levels of ability based on age and gender.....

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...You really can't have the same rule set apply for college women, 10 year-old girls, and 65 year-old men.

You mean like ASA does?

(Edit: Andy beat me to it. That's what I get for replying before reading the whole thread...)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

This has been bugging me for a while - and it's not limited to softball, it's effectively every sport there is (except soccer).

But why in America do leagues and systems not play by rulesets that have been codified by the international governing body for the sport? I mean, the NBA doesn't play by FIBA rules, the NHL has it's own code. Softball has to be the worst perpetrators, having different rule sets for High School, NCAA, adult amateur etc. We've got NFHS, ASA, NCAA.

Why doesn't every system out there just play by ISF? At their hearts, the rules of the game are the same, but then each ruleset has variations on the semantics of the game.

It just frustrates me from time to time--selfishly because my fed plays ISF so alot of these rulesets are lost on me and the board doesn't give me the help i usually need

Because in this country there is a mind set that if I don't get what I want, I'm taking my bat and ball and finding other people who WILL do it my way.

Or to quote Sheldon Cooper, "they're having fun wrong"

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is exactly what the ASA ruleset does...with specific allowances for different levels of ability based on age and gender.....

But that's just it - there are allowances which means the rules aren't the same for the different circumstances.

[bsnalex]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

But that's just it - there are allowances which means the rules aren't the same for the different circumstances.

I'm not talking about things like field size, length of game, etc. Clearly you can't have 8 year olds playing on the same field size for the same length as adults. Regulations is one thing. Rules is another.

Rulesets such as HS and NCAA don't need to be different. Take this for example: Strike Zone in ASA,NFHS, ISF is defined as armpits to top of knees, while NCAA defines it as top of batter's sternum, which is actually around 3 inches higher. Softball is one game. The strike zone is the strike zone is the strike zone. Or it should be.

I know I'm being pedantic and arguing for the sake of being contentious, so sorry.

My least favourite is in the fed I work in, which is mostly adult coed rec, I'm working a tournament this weekend that locally their rule is 12" ball for men and 11" ball for women, and the first base coach is responsible for swapping the ball for each batter (!) The local league (thankfully not mine) argues that the 11" ball travels further so women hit more to the same level as men. In my mind all that does is alter the game to suit the players, rather than the players training harder to play within the rules.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Because in this country there is a mind set that if I don't get what I want, I'm taking my bat and ball and finding other people who WILL do it my way.

Or to quote Sheldon Cooper, "they're having fun wrong"

Because this is not a communist state seems to be more of a realistic answer. I see teams developing because of upset mom & pops, but not entire organizations.

Boxers vs. Briefs
Plasma vs. LCD
Ford vs. Chevy

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

Rulesets such as HS and NCAA don't need to be different. Take this for example: Strike Zone in ASA,NFHS, ISF is defined as armpits to top of knees, while NCAA defines it as top of batter's sternum, which is actually around 3 inches higher. Softball is one game. The strike zone is the strike zone is the strike zone. Or it should be.

You can't see how in certain cases it might be reasonable to have a different penalty for a 13 year old 7th grader than a 22 year hold college senior?

And by the way, your NCAA strike zone is wrong. It isn't the TOP of the batter's sternum, it is the BOTTOM of the sternum. The strike zone is lower in NCAA than other codes, though most umpires tend to call a strike zone that is not as high as what is described in the rules books.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Because this is not a communist state seems to be more of a realistic answer.

You mean like the American Bar Association? But really, communist? Are you kidding? This country demonstrates a higher level of socialism and communistic attitudes than most countries we've supposedly "saved" from such evils.

I see teams developing because of upset mom & pops, but not entire organizations.

Then you haven't been paying attention

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You mean like ASA does?

(Edit: Andy beat me to it. That's what I get for replying before reading the whole thread...)

That's my point. ASA accommodates for different participants and different levels of play by using different rules within their overarching rule set. You can't expect ASA to have one set of rules for all, as the OP desires. And you can't expect NFHS, NCAA, PONY, etc., to do the same with their respective rules.