More background check incidents....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

That ALONE is the sole positive from running BC's.

Try reading the entire post. People ARE getting the BI in spite of their previous conviction and still ending up on the field.

BIs are as ineffective as polygraphs. And I'm in the business which requires security way beyond the bonding. I've also had multiple police agencies so far up my business, it is unbelievable. But they all prove zip. I've seen people pass a security check valued at over $2K and end up arrested for dealing drugs, bank robbery, embezzlement and even murder.

Like I said, it is a chicken little, feel good reaction fueled by ignorance. The provide nothing.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Try reading the entire post. People ARE getting the BI in spite of their previous conviction and still ending up on the field.

How often does that really happen? And if it does, shame on those who allow it. They aren't doing their due diligence to check the results of those BIs.

As I mentioned before, the sex offender in the OP story is listed in NSOPW. He joins the local USSSA umpire association. The secretary or assignor or member-at-large of that association could have easily taken the names of the association members and done a quick search with NSOPW. This criminal's name pops up. The association's president contacts him and tells him his services are no longer desired. How hard is that?

The system would work if the people responsible would make it work. Now, obviously miscreants who haven't been caught yet will slip through. And I cannot vouch for how well services like First Advantage or USSearch discover sex offender info on people. But if the info is already out there and all it takes is a little digging, then responsible people should do it, and do it correctly.

[bsnalex]

Background checks are worthless as nothing will show up on a police report until the person is caught. The best you can do without spending the exorbitant costs of several hundred background checks is check the names against S.O.R's.

If there was a way to do some sort of proactive psychoanalytical work on a candidate before they start work, but that's just silly.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

If there was a way to do some sort of proactive psychoanalytical work on a candidate before they start work, but that's just silly.

From one of ours: "Let's face it. Umpiring is not an easy or happy way to make a living. In the abuse they suffer, and the pay they get for it, you see an imbalance that can only be explained by their need to stay close to a game they can't resist." -- Bob Uecker

By definition, aren't we all crazy for officiating?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

From one of ours: ...-- Bob Uecker ...

One of our what?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by bsnalex

Background checks are worthless as nothing will show up on a police report until the person is caught.

WOW. Now that's insightful. I hear that it is also worthless to read a newspaper before it is printed. I guess I should stop reading the newspaper. I also have difficultly watching tv shows before they air. Perhaps I should return my tv.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

WOW. Now that's insightful. I hear that it is also worthless to read a newspaper before it is printed. I guess I should stop reading the newspaper. I also have difficultly watching tv shows before they air. Perhaps I should return my tv.

Really? The best you can come up with? Yeah, our legal system is in great hands.

His statement is not inaccurate. Did you ever try thinking that in the UK, the response to a BI is referred to as a police report?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Really? The best you can come up with? Yeah, our legal system is in great hands.

His statement is not inaccurate. Did you ever try thinking that in the UK, the response to a BI is referred to as a police report?

Well genius, how the hell is someone going to come up with a criminal conviction if they haven't been convicted? It doesn't mean that the person hasn't committed an illegal act, of course. But it is beyond stupid to say that the background check will only show a conviction if the person was convicted. It doesn't take a Rhode's scholar to figure that one out.

At least if they do have a criminal conviction, it should come up.

[chapmaja]

In my opinion, the organization with the best background check policy and safety policy is USA Swimming. Each coach and official is required to pass a level two background check every 2 years, plus take athlete protection training online course.

At practices it is up to the host club to handle access to locker rooms and the pool deck. At meets (when possible, not always possible at outdoor meets), the host club is required to allow only three groups of people on deck. First is officials who have passed their background check. Second is coaches who have passed their background check. Third is volunteers who are not required to be background checked, but must be registered with meet management. Each person who is on deck is required to wear a deck credential. Failure to have a credential can result in you being removed from the deck and additional punishment through USA Swimming. In addition, USA Swimming limits the use of photographic devices on the pool deck. People caught with a camera out behind the starting blocks can and should be removed from the pool deck.

Nothing is perfect for preventing assaults on children, because much of the time the situation does not involve officials, but coaches who get much less public time with athletes.

[CecilOne]

Received this today:
"ALL UMPIRES who wish to umpire ANY ASA games in the state of ... snip ... are required to have a background check starting this year. It is not an option.

If you refuse to have a background check, you must notify me no later than Friday April 25th. This will allow me to refund your dues and to remove your name from the ASA registration that goes to the National Office. ... snip ...

There was a big article about a convicted sex offender in Alabama working a youth USSSA game. Had a background check been performed, this individual would not have been assigned any youth games.

Again, this is not up for debate. If I do not hear from you, then I will assume you are okay with the background check and you will be assigned league games and work tournaments etc. If you attended a state or regional clinic then you would also be eligible for state, regional, and national tournaments. If you are NOT OKAY with it, then you must notify me no later than April 25th so you can be removed from registration and therefore, not work any ASA games. Your dues will be refunded to you.

Whether you agree with it or not, this is the society we now live in and it is what it is.

I thank you all for your cooperation and look forward to a great season.
"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

How often does that really happen? And if it does, shame on those who allow it. They aren't doing their due diligence to check the results of those BIs.

As I mentioned before, the sex offender in the OP story is listed in NSOPW. He joins the local USSSA umpire association. The secretary or assignor or member-at-large of that association could have easily taken the names of the association members and done a quick search with NSOPW. This criminal's name pops up. The association's president contacts him and tells him his services are no longer desired. How hard is that?

The system would work if the people responsible would make it work. Now, obviously miscreants who haven't been caught yet will slip through. And I cannot vouch for how well services like First Advantage or USSearch discover sex offender info on people. But if the info is already out there and all it takes is a little digging, then responsible people should do it, and do it correctly.

It is SOCIALISM at its finest. There are thousands of people on variable sex offender lists that have no good reason for being on there other than they did something against the law that because of the moronic "zero tolerance" mantra the Socialists demand they are inappropriately registered. This guys was not even a felony. I'm not even sure if there was jail time, haven't had that much time to dedicate to this.

You can live in your fantasyland, I'll live in the real world. Hell, a class a misdemeanor issue would probably really bring down the real estate market in the DC area