Modified Pitch - what does modified mean exactly?

[raresco]

I'm in a modified pitch league and most of us have been of the understanding that modified pitch meant that you can pitch it as fast as you can, as long as your arm does not go more than parallel to the ground. However - last night the other team had a fireballer who was bringing his arm all the way back so he was nearly pointing at the sky. Can someone please give me some clarification as to the ASA ruling on this? Thanks!

[CecilOne]

Modified means like fast pitch but with more restrictions (modifications). The pitcher can't windmill (no complete revolution), slingshot, have the ball outside the wrist, crossover step, etc. I don't see a problem in your description with the high back swing if the other restictions are followed.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by raresco
I'm in a modified pitch league and most of us have been of the understanding that modified pitch meant that you can pitch it as fast as you can, as long as your arm does not go more than parallel to the ground.

CAUTION: I've never called a mod-pitch game, so the following is only what I can glean from the rule book. The rule book (ASA) says nothing about the arm being parallel to the ground. It must be below the hip at release, but that says nothing about a back swing.

However - last night the other team had a fireballer who was bringing his arm all the way back so he was nearly pointing at the sky. Can someone please give me some clarification as to the ASA ruling on this? Thanks!

ASA Rule 6M-3D,

The pitcher may take the ball behind the back on the back swing.

It sounds like the pitcher was legal.

[WestMichBlue]

The book does say that a pitcher may not use a slingshot-type pitch. Bringing the hand to the top on the backswing is typical of a slingshot delivery.

I think that you need to focus on the release point. With a slingshot delivery I think that the hips would still be open and the elbow and wrist would break on the release. That is what would make this an illegal pitch in MP rather than the height of the back swing.

But like Dakata, I've never called MP so I am going on my pitching knowledge and the rule book.

Curious - FP rules allow for the drag of the pivot foot as long as it remains in contact with the ground. MP does not have that statement. Does that infer that the pivot foot must remain in contact with the plate until the ball has been released?

WMB

[greymule]

In MP, the pitcher must also deliver with the shoulders square to the plate, which prevents him from gaining too much speed with the backswing of the arm.

I have done two MP leagues, both long-established with pitchers who have obviously been at it a long time. In my opinion, most of them violate the book rules constantly, but the opponents never complain, so I just let it go.

In one league, the accepted motion seems to keep the ball from coming in too fast. In the other, the pitchers release with their bodies sideways and really get some steam on the ball.

At this point, I would not agree to do a MP tournament, because if legal/illegal pitching motion became an issue, I wouldn't know how to handle it.

And yes, you have to deliver from the plate. You can't drag and then release.

[bluezebra]

I worked some "modified" softball years ago, and my oldest son also played "modified" (different leagues). If I remember correctly, the pitcher may pitch as fast as he can, but he must not bring his arm around twice. He may bring his arm backwards to 90 degrees, then release on the first forward motion.

Bob

[CecilOne]

Originally posted by CecilOne
Modified means like fast pitch but with more restrictions (modifications). The pitcher can't windmill (no complete revolution), slingshot, have the ball outside the wrist, crossover step, etc. I don't see a problem in your description with the high back swing if the other restictions are followed.

[Dakota]

Cecil,

Why did you merely quote yourself?

[CecilOne]

Originally posted by Dakota
Cecil,

Why did you merely quote yourself?

Somebody had to .

It seemed like some posts only reflected the original question or had non-rule comments.

[Andy]

Originally posted by Dakota
Cecil,

Why did you merely quote yourself?

That's one way to increase that post count!

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Dakota
Cecil,

Why did you merely quote yourself?

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Andy

That's one way to increase that post count!

Hey, you're right!!!

[CecilOne]

Who would want to do that?

As I said "It seemed like some posts only reflected the original question or had non-rule comments. "

[Dakota]

Originally posted by CecilOne
Who would want to do that?

As I said "It seemed like some posts only reflected the original question or had non-rule comments. "

Just a little joking around, Cecil. No biggie.

[CecilOne]

Of course, ... I understand Tom and Andy.